Duke Rape Sex Scandal: A Summary
There’s a lot going around about the Duke Rape Scandal, where the Duke University Men’s Lacrosse Team hired two exotic dancers (read, strippers) for a house party and later allegedly raped one of them upstairs in a bathroom. Besides the issue of rape, there’s also talk of a hate-crime, because the lacrosse team is white except for one member, and the alleged victim black. This post will attempt to present facts surrounding the case, starting with the victim and suspects, circumstances and events, and then commentary.
The Victim
An anonymous 27 year old African American student at North Carolina Central University was allegedly raped by three white lacrosse players at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd, Durham NC 27701. The first page of an application for a search warrant indicates that her initials are GM, after being processed by enhancement software:
abyss2hope argues for identification of the alleged victim on his blog: “Tucker Carlson argued vigorously against Susan Filan, a former prosecutor, that the name of alleged victim in the Duke lacrosse rape case should be made public information.”
The Suspects
Collin Finnerty, 19 of Garden City, N.Y, and Reade Seligmann, 20 of Essex Falls, N.J., are sophomores at Duke University and members of the men’s lacrosse team. As the victim has identified them with “100% certainty,” they have been arrested and charged with first-degree forcible rape, first-degree sexual offense and kidnapping. The defendants posted $400,000 bail. Finnerty was arrested last year for assaulting a man in Washington, D.C. According to the Washington Post, he “called the man derogatory names and anti-gay slurs, then punched him in his face and body when he told them to stop and tried to walk away.”
Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty
Last month, DNA tests on 46 of the team’s players (the team’s only black player was not tested because the victim identified her assailants as white) matched none of them. District Attorney Mike Nifong has said 75 to 80 percent of rape prosecutions lack DNA evidence. However, since the victim was examined within several hours of the incident, the DNA evidence will be hard for the prosecution to overcome.
Furthermore, Reade Seligmann has an alibi. At 12:24 a.m., his ATM card was used at a nearby Wachovia bank, and a written statement from a cab driver confirms driving him there. At 12:25 he was calling his out-of-state girlfriend. Then, the taxi drivers says that he drove Reade Saligmann to his dorm, where he entered at 12:46, according to electronic card logs.
Finally, the WRAL notes, “An exotic dancer who says three Duke lacrosse players raped her may have identified two of them based on photographs that show scratches on their bodies, a defense attorney for one of the men said Wednesday.” Identification by scratches does not seem to meet the 100% sure figure that the defense quotes for their identification.
The Events
The previously mentioned search warrant has a good outline of the claims that the alleged victim makes:
On 3/14/06 at 1:22am Durham City Police Officers were called to the Kroger on Hillsborough Road. The victim reported to the officers that she had been sexually assaulted at 610 North Buchanan Blvd. The investigation revealed that the victim and another female had an appointment to dance at 610 North Buchanan Blvd. The victim arrived at the residence and joined the other female dancer. The victim reported that they began to preform their dance in master bedroom area.
After a few minute, the males watching them started to get excited and aggressive. The victim and her fellow dancer decided tp leave because they were concerned for their safety. As the two women got into a vehicle, they were approached by one of the suspects. He appoligized and requested they go back inside and continue to dance. Shortly after going back into the dwelling the two women were seperated.
Two males, Adam and Matt pulled her into the bathroom. Someone closed the door to the bathroom where she, and said “sweet heart you can’t leave.” The victim stated she tried to leave and the three males (Adam, Bret, and Matt) force fully held her legs and arms and sexually assaulted her anally vaginally and orally. The victim stated she was hit, kicked, and strangled during the assault and she attempted to defend herself, but was overpowered. The victim reported she was sexually assaulted for an approximate 30 minute time period by the three males.
The Alibi Photo Timeline
There were 19 photos taken with a digital camera, timestamped, at the men’s lacrosse team party. The photos, taken between 11:02 PM and 12:41 AM claim to exonorate at least one suspect. What follows is a description of each photo:
11:02:36 p.m. Men are sitting around the house. Many have plastic cups in their hands.
11:08:28 p.m. Men throw their arms in the air as if they are cheering and posing for the camera.
11:09:25 p.m. A closer picture of a few men posing for the camera.
12:00:12 a.m. The first picture of the dancers. The accuser, wearing pink and white lace lingerie, is lying face down on the floor.
12:00:21 a.m. The accuser and the second dancer are dancing together.
12:00:29 a.m. Dancers are performing. The accuser has what looks like bruising on her knees. Her right shoe is missing from her foot. It can be seen in the background.
12:00:40 a.m. The two dancers are performing. A crowd of about 15 men is visible in the photo. The men are sitting on couches. They are not showing much reaction.
12:02:16 a.m. The accuser is on top of the second dancer. The accuser’s right thumbnail does not have a fingernail or polish on it. Her right pinky nail also does not have a nail. The men are smiling. The dancers are smiling.
12:02:46 a.m. A young man, who appears to be passed out, sitting in a chair.
12:03:57 a.m. The dancers by the door. The accuser’s right shoe is on the floor. The men in the room are sitting.
12:10:39 a.m. A young man passed out. His shorts are slightly pulled down.
12:30:12 a.m. The accuser is on the back steps of the house, alone. Her right shoe is off. She has a purse.
12:30:34 a.m. The accuser is still on the back steps of the house.
12:30:47 a.m. The accuser is on the stairwell of the back steps. Her mouth is open and her teeth are showing.
12:37:58 a.m. The accuser is lying on her back on the back stairs. She has a cut on her right foot. She has cuts on her right butt cheek. The stair rail has pink spots on it.
12:38:07 a.m. The accuser is lying on the back steps. A tan object can be seen in the background.
12:38:18 a.m. The accuser is still on the ground.
12:41:32 a.m. The accuser is seen getting into a black Honda Accord.
That “Vile” Email
Also of interest is the email that player Ryan McFadyen sent half an hour after the alleged attack, using his email account ryan.mcfadyen@duke.edu. A warrant to search his room in Edens Dormitory on Duke’s West Campus turned up the email. The full text of this email, which is sexually explicit, is not to be found in the mainstream news media. However, an uncensored version of it can be found in an application for a search warrant under the probable cause affidavit:
To whom it may concern
tommrow night, after tonights show, i’ve decided to have some strippers over to edens 2c. all are welcome., however there will be no nudity. i plan on killing the bitches as soon as the walk in and proceding to cut their skin off while cumming in my duke issue spandex.. all in besides arch and lack please respond
41
Ryan McFadyen was player number 41, and 19 years old. The typographical errors in this email are his. According the Duke University Former Men’s Lacrosse Team Coach Mike Pressler, this email is the cause of the season’s cancellation and his resignation.
That “Vile” Radio Show
On April 17, Michael Savage, a nationally syndicated radio show host said:
The Durham dirt-bag case disgusts me to my core. Here, you have a drunken slut stripping whore accusing men of raping her when there is absolutely no evidence of such a rape other than what comes out of that filthy mouth of hers. And what really gets to me, here, is not only the piling on by the vermin in the media — the spineless eunuchs in the media who are taking the side of an unknown accuser without ever having to ask her one question. What kind of system do we have that anyone can scream rape and not have to show her face, not answer to the public. And, yet, those she accuses are suddenly guilty until they’re proven innocent. This is all the product of the out-of-control lesbian feminist movement.
Bloggers Respond
Mary Katherine Ham writes, “They shouldn’t be presumed guilty because there are racial tensions in Durham; they are not guilty because they are white and privileged and their alleged victim was black; they are not guilty because there is a “culture of sexual entitlement” in collegiate athletics; they are not guilty because they had a stripper at their party.”
La Shawn Barber writes, “Although black-on-white rape is much more common than white-on-black rape, there’s something about the idea of a white man raping a black woman that brings out the retro speeches about slavery, white privilege, patriarchy, and the usual revisionist tirades.”
Talk Left writes, “The accuser got to the party at 11:30 pm. The evidence of sexual activity which the rape exam nurse found to be merely “consistent with” forcible sex, likely happened before she arrived, as did her physical injuries. There was a dispute (and possibly) a scuffle over the money - the players felt ripped off that the girls stopped dancing after just a few minutes and that one of them (the accuser) was too drunk to dance.”
Duke University Responds
The president of Duke University, Richard Brodhead, released the following statement:
For the past month, Durham and the nation have followed the allegations of a serious crime involving members of the Duke men’s lacrosse team. The emerging story has taken new twists and turns virtually every day. In this situation of inflamed passions and painful uncertainty, I have emphasized the importance of not rushing to judgment and allowing the legal system to establish the truth. I’m grateful that other Durham leaders, notably Mayor Bell and North Carolina Central Chancellor Ammons, have urged patience as well.
Today the case has taken a new turn: the grand jury handed down indictments against two students who have since been arrested. District Attorney Nifong will now have an opportunity to present his case, and we will learn on what basis he has pressed his charges. We also move from unfocused speculation about 46 members of the team to the court of law where the guilt or innocence of the individuals charged will be established. It is worth reminding ourselves that in our system of laws, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Many lives have been touched by this case. It has brought pain and suffering to all involved, and it deeply challenges our ability to balance judgment with compassion. As the legal process unfolds, we must hope that it brings a speedy resolution and that the truth of the events is fully clarified.
In the meantime, we have important work to do. The Duke and Durham communities must restore the bonds this episode has strained and learn whatever lessons it affords. Building upon the progress that has been made over the past decades, we must work to create a community that assures respect and dignity for all.
More Sources
- Alleged Duke Rape Victim Wants Her Life Back
- Duke Rape Case E-mail Shocker
- E-mail rocks Duke campus
- Descriptions Of Time-Stamped Photos Of Duke Lacrosse Party
- Two Duke Players Charged with Rape
- Duke President’s Statement On Duke Lacrosse Indictments
- Key Evidence Supports Alibi in Potential Rape Defense for One Indicted Duke Player
Comments are appreciated.
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on April 19th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
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on April 20th, 2006 at 2:17 am
Why Conservatives Support the Duke Lacrosse Team …
It might not be obvious why conservatives have already taken sides on a case that hasn’t even gone to trial. …
on April 20th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
fascinating… we’ll never know the truth, I guess. Those players seem pretty degenerate, though…
on April 23rd, 2006 at 1:09 pm
The players have no choice but to defend themselves in the press. They were quiet waiting with the rest of us to prove their innocence through DNA testing, but people like Nancy Grace, Rita Croby, Wendy Murphy, and others who want these boys found guilty even if they aren’t, minimize the significance of absolutely no DNA evidence at all.
Don’t forget the absence of her DNA also suggests that a crime never occurred.
1. no vaginal, blood, scat traces left at the supposed ’scene of the crime’.
2. no saliva or tears where she claimed to be choked and orally raped (unless she licked everything up)
These guys are going to be found innocent. I hope they pursue deformation litigation against the stripper, DA, and Durham. These boys must be compensated for being falsely accused of rape.
When the accusation was made, the police questioned the three boys who lived in the house for over six hours, not one asked for a lawyer. The three boys even offered to take lie detector tests. When the entire team was told they had to submit DNA samples, they didn’t call their parents or fight the warrant. The boys cooperated completely. These aren’t the actions of guilty boys, and this will weigh much before a jury. Only when their parents witnessed the circus-like atmosphere created by District Attorney Mike Nifong, the boys were advised to remain quiet.
Regarding the misleading claims that 70% of rapes don’t have DNA evidence, is this percentage relevant to ‘gang rapes’ or the more common form of ‘companion rape’ “statutory rape” “stranger rape” “incest” etc… It’s highly unlikely there would be a lack of DNA evidence in a gang rape. Where’s her body fluids did she swallow everything?
Why did the DA have the whole team surrender DNA samples if DNA samples are worthless as feminist and other witch hunters are trying to spin?
The DA is currently playing down the importance of the DNA evidence because the absence of any DNA suggests that the crime never occurred. She picked two of the wealthiest boys to accuse, but she chose wrong. The alibi seems iron clad.
Stripper claims: three men raped her on the bathroom rug,
Fact:
- No vaginal or seminal fluid, no skin, blood, or hair were found anywhere in the bathroom, bath towels, bath rug, door handle, bathroom floor, basin, water faucet handle, etc.
- A man cannot take off a condom and not get DNA from himself or the female on his hands and not transfer it to everything he touches?
- Accuser claims she was vaginally penetrated; accuser claims she was panicked and thought she was going to die; Where is her vaginal fluid, urine, or blood anywhere in the bathroom? Does her body defy basic physiology capable of keeping any ejaculate from spilling out?
- Accuser claims she was anally penetrated; Where’s her fecal material or scat smears in the bathroom? Does the accuser have inhuman anal sphinter control that prevented any of the ejaculate from dripping out?
- Accuser claims she was orally sodomized; where is DNA from her saliva and tears? Did she lick up every drop and swallowed any evidence?
Stripper claim bruises were result of an attack from three boys:
Fact: Time-stamped photos prove stripper arrived bruised and cut while drunk.
Nifong stated that a condom was used, if this is true than where is the spermicidal lubricant evidence? Where are the condoms? Where are the condom wrappers? Where is the empty condom box?
If no DNA material were present on the stripper, than why were DNA samples taken? The District Attorney vigorously claimed that these DNA evidence will clear the innocent.
The second stripper stated that she didn’t notice any rape, and when they got back in the car the ‘accuser’ didn’t mention anything about being rape.
Apparently the second stripper charged with embezzling $25,000 changed her story to conspire with the lying stripper under-probation-for-larceny-and-trying-to-kill-a-police-officer-with-a-stolen-car as part of a deal with Nifong to get released from jail, also contacted a public relations firm to ‘not let this opportunity pas her by and to spin it to my advantage’.
This in the wake of pictures surfacing showing that the ‘lying stripper’ had those fake finger nails missing before the time she lied that a rape occurred.
With the taste of his own foot still lingering in his mouth, District Attorney Mike Nifong has another piece of evidence blow up in his face, I wonder how’s his ulcer is doing?
So would it be his own aura or is it the universe’s way of getting back at Nifong for destroying these young boys lives?
It would be funny if Nifong’s ulcer leads to a colonoscopy, or would it be ‘ironic’ or ‘poetic justice’ that he screws 47 boys over a false rape claim and have to take a 36 inch colonoscopy tube up his @ss for his part in the fiasco he created.
Lets not forget that not only that there lacks any DNA evidence of the boys, but there’s an absolute absence of DNA from her who claims she was raped vaginally, anally, and orally why wasn’t any of HER vaginal, urine, blood, sweat, fecal, saliva, or tears not found anywhere in the bathroom? Nifong claims that condoms could have been used, then where are the condoms? The condom wrappers, the condom box, the spermicidal evidence from the rape kit?
Some feminist claim the boys were drunk and where so overwhelmed with excitement that they couldn’t ejaculate- not even one, obviously these women have never had *** with a 19 year old male or any male.
Finally, don’t forget the three boys who lived in the house agreed to be questioned by the police for over six hours, and volunteered to a lie detector test. When the boys were told to surrender DNA samples, none called their parents r tried to block the order, they complied because they new the ’stripper with the criminal record’ was lying. These are not the actions of guilty boys, but Nifong claimed that they were all covering up for each other and will charge each of them with aiding and abetting because the only information they had is that no rape occurred.
These boys were and continue to be put through hell by these criminal strippers and an unscrupulous DA. Hopefully these three will be held accountable for the racial riots pending the acquittal of these innocent boys.
Below is the text of the e-mail sent by Kim Roberts to 5W Public Relations in New York. Roberts, an exotic dancer, accompanied the woman accusing members of the Duke University men’s lacrosse team of raping her the night of March 13.
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:21 PM
To: Ronn Torossian
Subject: duke lacrosse scandal
Hi!
My name is Kim and I am involved in the Duke Lacrosse scandal. Although I am no celebrity and just an average citizen, I’ve found myself in the center of one of the biggest stories in the country. I’m worried about letting this opportunity pass me by without making the best of it and was wondering if you had any advice as to how to spin this to my advantage. I am determined not to let any negative publicity about my life overtake me. I’m so confused as to who to talk to for relevant advice and I hope that you can return my e-mail. If you cannot help, do you know of any names and numbers I can call?
Thanks for your time,
on May 8th, 2006 at 11:02 am
I know that you all haters of women believe that these boys/men did’t rape this woman but they did. They will be found guilty and sent to prison and you all can go with them if you like. Imagine this for a moment,white boys/men checking into prison for raping a black woman and being cell mates with rough and tough BLACK MEN.WONDER HOW THAT’S GONNA TURN OUT.
on May 11th, 2006 at 9:42 pm
THEY ARE GUILTY..THAT’S WHY FOX NEWS, HAS A STAKE IN PUBLISHING HER NAME AND ADDRESS..AND ANYONE AND EVERYONE THAT HAS READ ABOUT THIS KNOWS, THAT A RAPE OCCURRED. WHY ELSE WERE THE PHOTOS ALTERED?? AND I’M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS HOW THE DNA WAS TAMPERED WITH. AND AS FOR ANYTHING BEING LICKED UP–YOU MEAN CLEANED UP. THE POLICE PURPOSELY WAITED DAYS BEFORE INVESTIGATING…AND SOMEONE WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO MAKE A MISTAKE..AND NO MATTER HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS LEAK INFORMATION TO PURPOSELY TAINT THE CASE..JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL…THE PLAN WENT BAD WHEN THE 2ND DANCER DIDN’T DRINK HER DRUGGED DRINK. THOSE VERMIN HAD PLANNED A DOUBLE RAPE & MURDER THAT WENT BAD.EVERYONE KNOWS YOU DON’T LEAVE WITNESSES.. BUT EVERYONE AT THE PARTY IS GOING TO HELL, FOR REMAINING SILENT. BECAUSE EVERYONE AT THE PARTY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON..YES IN A HOUSE THAT SIZE..AND FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SEE RAPISTS GO FREE…I HOPE YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE 10X
on May 12th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
JUSTCAUSE1: AMEN,TALK TO ME NOW. FOX news have tried to taint the jury pool with their reporting, as if the people in North Carolina would choose these rich white boys over justice being done. Just watch Hannity and Colmes,the beltway boys,. etc. They have called her a liar from the beginning. Sean Hannity is looking for ways to set Reade S. free and now that DUKE has released their report,you can see the glee in his eyes. AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN.
on May 13th, 2006 at 2:32 am
Seriously people? After the facts that have emerged thus far, how can anyone with even half a brain think these kids are guilty?
What is it in the liberal brain that makes people so incapable of acknowledging clear, unadulturated fact? I mean, I understand that guilty lax players fits into your world view, and advances your ’cause’ (sad as it is…)- but seriously- there are, in fact, obvious, objective facts in the world- how do you end up so wrapped up in your warped world view that you can ignore, twist, hem and haw your way around the obvious?
People would take you nutty Cassandra-syndrome suffering idiots more seriously if you crouched your arguments in fact and logic. Instead, you squander any legitimacy you might have in idiocy such as you are displaying here…
on May 14th, 2006 at 11:58 am
LOGIC and COMMON SENSE:(for which you have absolutely none)your opinion,it’s like a nose,everyone has one.
on May 14th, 2006 at 1:40 pm
On March 14, 2006 two professional sisters were working the hood. Saw a chance to get paid. They ran a leverage-collection scam on some white members of the Duke University Men’s Lacrosse team at a party they were hired to dance. They were contracted dancers, party girls, emphasis “par-taayy”. Expected to get paid for “services”. They and their routine … both well known in the area by locals, and anybody street-smart, normally successful. They are on other tapes other places, doin same same. Unsophisticated college kids no match for the pair. Collegians could not deal. Party girls already dealt out serious bile, so leverage gone. This site serves as a watchdog, information hub, and activism vehicle to ensure these people at least become notorious, even if they can’t get paid..
on May 14th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
I don’t think that’s what happened.
I really don’t think those two black women are that smart or sophisticated. The 1st stripper lied when found drunk in another woman’s car to avoid having her probation revoked (1st stripper was arrested in 2002 for larceny, auto theft, attempted murder of a policeman, and lewd public behavior).
The 2nd stripper first stated that she didn’t believe a rape occurred changed her story as a deal from the DA to support his claim of rape actually occuring, and has stated that she is trying to financially benefit from this scandal.
Theopholous Washington… these black women aren’t smart or sophisticated enough to plan something like this. They lied and other fools… like yourself “theo”, made up the rest for yourselves.
on May 15th, 2006 at 12:37 pm
2Your mamma…Seems to me you are the fool(believing only what the defense is spinning)because you’ve only heard one side of the story. Are you afraid of the truth or is it because she just happens to be a black woman? No one deserves to be Raped!!! Seems to me and all that these boys/men were not [smart] themselves,[Quite Dumb] as everyone can see. Do you know with certainty that this victim was drunk? If not, then shut your lying mouth.
on May 15th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
A third indictment…Oops… But a new grandjury is handing down yet another. Mr.D.A. is just doing his job and doing it quite well. MIKE NIFONG…MORE POWER TO YA!!!
on May 16th, 2006 at 1:29 am
Great Thread. Duke won’t be the last catholic school to be involved in a *** scandal.
on May 16th, 2006 at 11:26 am
Catholic School?
These soul sistas are about as smart as my ******. I hope they go to jail.
on May 16th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
2joe… The “sistas” sure has ALL talking and some, “down right scared” in the largest high-profile case in AMERICA….. and on to the dumb ones….Ohhhh, the boys/men of the duke lacrosse team,who found themselves indicted. BACK AT CHA!!!
on May 18th, 2006 at 6:15 am
Wow! You got some issues justice. Calm down and take your medication. They’re not my “sistas”. I run in better educated circles. It doesn’t take brains to cry rape, obviously their stupidity is catching up with the two “sistas”. And a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich for the murder of the pig.
Aaaaaany ways, I hope we got all that ghetto talk out of your system, so we can have an adult conversation instead of ignrant rantings.
Lawyers are waiting in the shadows for lucrative civil suit
A man stands in the shadows of the Duke Lacrosse ‘rape’ case…watching and waiting. While the three wealthy, white male students remains in criminal court, he is not likely to step forward.
Even at this early stage, the stripper’s mother is “very much interested” in “getting Willie E. Gary is a litigator renowned for winning huge settlements.
The stripper’s parents met with Gary in April. The meeting was facilitated by civil rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson.
Gary acts as a family adviser, and the parents are laying groundwork to make a civil bid. Public opinion can be a large bargaining chip in obtaining a lucrative settlement. Earlier, the parents spoke freely; now they’re being more media savvy.
Essence Magazine featured three articles by Kristal Brent Zook. Each is sympathetic to the accuser. (1st) “Family Defends Daughter’s Painful Past”, (2nd) “Nowhere to Turn,” depicts the accuser as living in terror. (3rd) is basically an announcement of Willie Gary’s appearance in the case; it concludes by stating that the parents “worry that their daughter may…need additional legal guidance.”
Civil law deals in torts or harms inflicted by one person upon another; its purposes are compensation for actual or perceived damages.
A “guilty” verdict in criminal court can be used to establish liability in a civil one but if the verdict is “not guilty” or the charges are dropped, a civil case can proceed independently.
Kobe Bryant settled out-of-court settlement. Such settlements are not necessarily admissions of guilt. After months of media blitz, Bryant may have been embarrassed to settle, so civil suits could be lucrative even if the “accuser’s” claim is completely fabricated. The Duke students will face the same choice?
Civil suits can be lucrative, and they’re easier to win; standards of evidence and other legal protections enjoyed by a defendant are significantly lowered in civil court.
Clearly, her parents wish to explore a civil proceeding. Gary is conspicuously available.
on May 18th, 2006 at 8:49 am
I perfectly agree with her parents in whatever they do, their daughter has been brutalized, victimized, and raped, she derserves to be compensated and I hope she cleans their pockets. That will teach their parents to raise better children and it will teach them that money can’t buy their way out of trouble. If you don’t like my words, then shut your lying mouth. I believe in whomever I want. YES, I’m behind the “sista” and who cares or give a “d***n what you think or feel. I HONESTLY DON’T CARE BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE OPINION IS NOTHING. I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THESE BOYS/MEN WILL BE FOUND GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW AND SENT TO PRISON FOR THEIR CRIME. THE LITTLE SPEECHES WILL NOT HELP THEM. I HOPE THEY GET WHAT IS COMING TO THEM 10X…..YOU GOT THAT.
on May 20th, 2006 at 4:06 am
Everyone, including blacks and lower class whites, likes to see the rich jock fall from grace. That is why this story exploded the way that it did. Black female accuser vs. rich, priviledged, lacrosse players and the most important factor (they’re white).
Blacks are standing behind the accuser just because she is black. Whites are either siding with the players because they have read the “evidence” and details of the case, or simply because they are white.
After reading most of what is available on this case, I believe that Nifong doesn’t stand a chance, but hey, he’s already been re-elected, who cares?
on May 23rd, 2006 at 3:42 am
“common sense” clinched it as far as reasons for different groups standing behind either side. I totally agree, and also about the general resentment a lot of people have for white athletic types with a lot of money. Anyway, as as more evidence comes out (including how many clients the accuser has had *** with recently) it’s looking more absurd than ever that charges were ever brought. Nifong must be a sinister schemer. Anybody would be crazy to attend school at Duke or in that County with that lunatic DA on the loose.
on May 23rd, 2006 at 10:38 am
The victim had *** with her boyfriend… That is a common thing between a couple. I haven’t read anything that have said the victim had recent *** with multiply people other than the accused of raping her. STOP LYING ABOUT HER!!!! CONSENSUAL *** IS LEGAL, RAPE IS A CRIME!!!!
on May 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 pm
No, seriously. As someone who believed her story at first, I now wouldn’t believe it as far as I could throw her. It’s already been leaked (from the info. given to the Defense) that she reported the DNA could have been from her boyfriend or her two drivers who she had had *** with that week, and that the drivers took her all over town on appointments in the previous days. I’m just reporting here what is all over the Court TV website. I would never lie about such a thing (I don’t bear false witness).
on May 23rd, 2006 at 3:10 pm
2JoeTnt Even so Joe, consensual *** is legal and rape is not. A person can have *** with whomever they please. I understand the defense leaking certain information because they’re being paid mega bucks to do so. We all have only heard one side of the story. If we pass judgement by listening to only the defense, then, what do we need a legal system for? Any one and everyone deserves their day in court. Keep an OPEN MIND,because all lives matter.
on May 23rd, 2006 at 8:46 pm
I don’t criticize anyone for being a stripper, or for having *** with whoever she pleases, or even for women who get paid for ***. But the significance, in this case, of having *** with multiple partners is that it possibly accounts for her bodily injuries “consistent with rape”. Add to that her family’s own reports about her past claims of gang rape, her mental breakdowns, her changing stories about the rape (first she said there was no rape, then it was 20 men, then only three, etc). CNN experts just reported too that the case should be ended now. Nifong used it to get re-elected. If you doubt how much the facts point to her lying, go read the Court TV message board on the case. Those people really know what they’re talking about. Anyway, if you believe “all lives matter”, you wouldn’t be so quick to be hoping for prison of potentially totally innocent people. The people that look at the facts and judge fairly have nothing to worry about, but people that so badly WANT it to be true have to look at themselves and wonder why that’s so important. (Especially when you look at other crimes in Durham- like that family that was just murdered).
on May 23rd, 2006 at 10:38 pm
2JoeTnt: I’m not from Durham so I didn’t know about a family being murdered there, I do hope justice prevails in that case, and the murderers pay the ultimate price. I just want the victim in the duke case to have her day in court and let the courts decide. We have only heard the defense spin their side. If she is lying, then she will have to pay the price. Let the legal system work….Okay Joe
on May 24th, 2006 at 2:27 am
Yeah. Let’s hope for a trial.
on May 24th, 2006 at 9:11 am
But I just thought of this: if people were truly concerned about the supposed victim, and not just out to get white people for whatever reason, they’d be a little more outraged that her father absolutely stated she has a boyfriend who beats her up. And none of the activists have said one word about going after that boyfriend. And the statistics on black-on-black crime, assaults, rape, murder, are astronomical. Where is the outrage over that? Only Bill Cosby has the honesty and courage to admit that.
on May 24th, 2006 at 9:57 am
Evidence in the records released by the DA:
When investigators questioned the stripper after DNA tests on the ***** found inside her ****** and ****** didn’t match any of the Duke players, the stripper admitted to having had *** with at least three men around the time of the alleged rape. The stripper named her boyfriend and two men who drove her to Duke.
• When questioned, the “drivers” said they would drop her off at several places, including hotel rooms.
The parents of the boys should sue the stripper and the stripper’s parents, then turn the debt over to collectors to hound them for the rest of their lives. The stripper should end up in jail for a couple of decades, and the DA’s office and the city of Durham should pay all defense fees and damages done to each lacrosse player.
on May 24th, 2006 at 10:00 am
The DA is trying to hide the stripper’s cell phone from the courts because it may show that the stripper was on the phone at the time she says she was being raped by a boy who wsn’t even there.
on May 24th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
Betty Friedan: … A nurse at a rape crisis center??? You have as much compassion as a pit bull has for a cripple rabbit!!! HOW MANY NAMES ARE USING BECAUSE I KNOW “YOUR MAMMA” IS ONE OF THEM… It tells me so much about you. You must be scared and shaking in your boots that this case will go to trial. Justice is going to prevail and that’s the way the cookie crumbles. The victim will get a chance to tell her side in a court of law, then, a jury will decide whether it’s guilt or innocence. You are out right lying when you said her father said her boyfriend beats her. I remember an interview with host , Rita Cosby, and the question was asked “do you think she was beaten by the boyfriend”?the father said, “oh no, he would never do that”. Go back and check the interview…. (some people work to get a paycheck and don’t contribute NOTHING). HOW SAD HOW SAD HOW SAD!!!!
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
Comparing LAX case to that of Scottsboro Nine
I am a college instructor who teaches criminal justice and a criminal defense attorney. In my entire career I have never seen such a bizarre and unfair case as the one against three Duke lacrosse players.
I teach a class about a similar case in American history, the Scottsboro Nine. In March 1931, a group of nine black teen-agers was charged with rape on incredibly flimsy evidence in Scottsboro, Ala. The nine were originally charged with the rape of two white women. Even after one woman testified that she lied about the rape, the nine teens continued to face rape charges and the threat of death by execution.
In the Scottsboro case, the two women were part-time prostitutes, but that didn’t matter, nor did it matter that at least one of the boys was known to be physically unable to have ***, and two of the boys were only 13. Like Durham, the real issue was race.
In Scottsboro, nine young men were wrongly charged and condemned because they were black, and today the Duke lacrosse players have, in my opinion, been wrongly charged and condemned because they are white and the alleged victim is black.
The one constant with respect to the two cases is racism. I often ask my students if it possible for blacks to discriminate against whites in the same type of mindless ignorance as the KKK or the way the mob went after the Scottsboro Nine. The answer I receive is yes, and my students point to Durham as proof.
JOSEPH R. GUTHEINZ JR
Houston
May 20, 2006
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
The worst thing said in the case involving rape charges against Duke University students was not said by either the prosecutor or the defense attorneys, or even by any of the accusers or the accused. It was said by a student at North Carolina Central University, a black institution attended by the stripper who made rape charges against Duke lacrosse players.
According to Newsweek, the young man at NCCU said that he wanted to see the Duke students prosecuted, “whether it happened or not. It would be justice for things that happened in the past.”
This is the ugly attitude that is casting a cloud over this whole case. More important, this collective guilt and collective revenge attitude has for years been poisoning race relations in this country.
It has torn apart other countries around the world, from the Balkans to Sri Lanka to Rwanda. Nor is there any reason to think that the United States is exempt from such polarization.
At one time, the black civil rights leadership aimed at putting an end to racism, and especially to the perversion of the law to convict people because of their race, regardless of guilt or innocence.
Today, this young man at NCCU represents the culmination of a new racist trend promoted by current black “leaders” to make group entitlements paramount, including seeking group revenge rather than individual justice in courts of law.
This attitude poisoned the O.J. Simpson case and it is now polarizing reactions to the Duke University case. Racial polarization is a dangerous game, especially dangerous for minorities in the long run.
Tragically, the way the Duke case is being handled, it looks as if District Attorney Michael Nifong is pandering to these ugly feelings. Legal experts seem baffled as to why he is proceeding in the way that he is because it is hard to explain legally.
It is not hard to explain politically, however. The District Attorney may well owe his recent election victory to having tapped into the kinds of racial resentments expressed by the young man at North Carolina Central University.
Now Mr. Nifong is riding a tiger and cannot safely get off. His bet best may be to let this case drag on until it fizzles out, long after the media have lost interest. His extraordinary postponement of the trial for a year suggests he understands that.
In the meantime, the taxi driver who provided the first airtight alibi for one of the accused Duke lacrosse players has been picked up by the police on a flimsy, three-year-old charge, supposedly about shoplifting. He was held for five hours for questioning — reportedly not about shoplifting, but about the Duke rape charges.
Does this smell to high heaven or what?
The taxi driver himself is not accused of shoplifting. But two women who were passengers in his cab were. Since when are taxi drivers held responsible for what their passengers did before or after being in their cab?
What purpose can this harassing of the taxi driver serve? His account of what happened in the Duke rape case has already been corroborated by a surveillance camera at the bank to which he took one of the lacrosse players, as well as by other time-stamped records indicating where his passenger was during the time when he was supposed to be raping a stripper.
If the prosecution cannot discredit the taxi driver’s statement in a court of law, what can they gain by harassing him? One thing they can gain could be to at least stop the cabbie from going on television again to repeat what he has said before.
If nothing else, the harassment can serve as a warning to anybody else who might feel like coming forward with testimony that undermines the prosecution’s case.
Is this America or some banana republic?
Some people in the media saw this case from day one as a matter of taking sides rather than seeking the truth. They want to be on the politically correct side — for a black woman against white men — and the facts be damned.
If such attitudes prevail, we will indeed become a banana republic. Or worse.
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
David Evans seem to be a man of integrity and courage to speak out against the claims against him. The stripper seems well armed with all the powers of “victim (i.e. mass public sympathy, militant feminist groups, female “victims” advocate groups, racists groups from the NBPP, Je$$ie Jack$on, NAACP, and many individuals from NCCU, etc.
Why isn’t the possibility that the stripper made a false claim been investigated?
Why is DA Nifong trying to “stonewalling” the stripper’s cell phone from the investigators which may show that she was on the phone at the time she made up the story of rape.
a. Stripper possibly made a false claim of rape by three boys in 1996.
b. Stripper made a false claim of kidnapping in 1998
c. Stripper charged with larceny, auto theft, and trying to kill a police officer in 2002
d. 1st round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team.
e. 2nd round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team
f. DNA proves stripper had *** with boyfriend/pimp and two other men around the time she was dropped off at the party, which accounts for the “rape kit” evidence of recent sexual activity.
g. The bathroom is absolutely and completely devoid of any evidence of a rape. Where is her DNA? Urine, blood, vaginal fluid, saliva, or tears?
h. Many people’s DNA were found under her nails but none from the innocent lacrosse boys. The only DNA that has a partial link to one of the boys was found on the top surface of the fake nail.
i. She lied about losing her fake finger nails in a desperate struggle in the small enclosed bathroom, but pictures show that she removed her nails before inadequately performing her routine. No scratches were found on any of the innocent lacrosse boys’ bodies. No DNA of any lacrosse boy was found under the nail.
j. The 2 innocent boys she “eeny meeny miney moed” to be her rapists weren’t even at the party the time she claimed the rape occurred. She claims that she’s 100% sure, but she told her father that she’s not sure.
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
Wow! A lot has happened since I was last here. I see the monkeys (Claudo, John T, are still screaming and jumping around
T2 says - well said Betty ! It is amazing how few people actually want to talk about the known facts of the case that Betty raises.
As is clear to all, a court has 12 members of the public (like you and I), who get to hear the evidence and decide. Substantial parts of that evidence are now publically available through court depositions.
We now know that
1) the “AV” was seriously intoxicated, and has changed her mind on the rape claim, who and what raped her, etc.
2) the DA hasn’t provided any tox tests to the defence; I wonder why that is ? Maybe he is hiding the presence of a date rape drug, and isn’t going to use this in the trial as part of a KKKonspiracy ? Alternatively, the tox shows that the “AV” was drunk, self-administered, and this will ruin his case ?
3) the “AV” claimed no condoms in her account of the multiple rape and sodomy; yet samples taken in the rape centre don’t find any DNA/ broomstick ends/ spermicide from condoms.
4) We now know that there were two identity parades, and the “AV” couldn’t identify members of the Duke team till she had an ID parade consisting only of members of the team !
5) the “AV” has identified one of the rapists, who has a cast-iron alibi, with independent witnesses, atm receipts, etc.
6) the “AV” has a criminal record
7) the other stripper had a pending prosecution, and made several statements contradicing the “AV”. There are several other reasons for doubting anything she says.
We also know that there all the people at the party who are able to testify that there was no rape. The counter argument that runs at this board is that because these people are rich and white, they must have done it and they are all liars.
So far, it is one versus forty, and all the physical evidence counts against the one.
go, betty, go.
T2
* Thanks T2! I try to introduce reason and common sense where every it’s lacking.
DaveJ - “I said it before, the evidence is looking a little thin, but shouldn’t a court decide this?
* the evidence is dissipating as we speak. At this rate, there’s not going to be any evidence left before the trial begins.
Jelly - “And to treat a navy veteran with such brazen disrespect marks a fresh low for our justice system…….That our veterans should have to strip to attend college and feed their kids is fully descriptive of Bush’s America.”
Woman was tossed from the Navy with a less-than-honorable “General Discharge” after only 1 year in for becoming pregnant through adultery with a married sailor on her ship, and factoring previous military misconduct. By law, she isn’t a Veteran, but a discard of the sort the military routinely rejects for misbehavior or “not cutting it” from Basic to 1st Duty Station. The acuser is not eligable for any Vet benefits or VA status. And Veterans with skills do not have to live off welfare fraud, money from stripping, blowjobs, and *** with 7-8 men a week in “Bush’s America”. But lying, lazy whores do.
* That would explain why she couldn’t get military assistance for college.
And this ***** with kids apparantly leeches off her parents for support and housing, and the welfare system as a “full time student-single mother”, supposedly attends college for free as a single mom on welfare (Jesse Jackson rest easy. Your multimillions won on race card poker are safe! - Your Black Princess Scholarship is unneeded!) And yet, despite all that and the tax-free dollars she gets from 3 years of “hard work” stripping and doing *** for money, she still apparantly had “a secret expense” that left her so broke that it required two weeks of committment to a mental hospital on “nervousness and anxiety disorder”.
Though being a ***** and a single mom does have perks. If a man of any race had gotten drunk twice the legal limit, stole a car, and tried to kill the arresting officer with it back in 2002, they would still be a felon in jail today. Only pity as a single mommy or liberal knobbers given to lawyers kept our false accuser from jail and a felon rap sheet..
* Wow! And I thought I was tough! Awesome post Chris!
torquemada2 says - When defence lawyers speak in public, and make categorical statements of fact, they are either being truthful, or lying.
The defence lawyers have stated that the vaginal, anal and other swabs have found no DNA evidence from any of the LAX players. Is that a lie ? ‘cos it sure goes a long way to casting doubt on a story of a forcible gang-bang.
There are court papers, publically available, which contain the transcript of the police officer which found the “AV”. According to this, she was intoxicated, and changed her story.
The transcript of the second ID parade is publically available, and the defence lawyers have made clear the factual nature of the evidence that provides one of the players with a cast-iron, multiple-source alibi. Is that a lie ?
Yeah, sure you don’t want to even think of what the evidence is. Would that spoil your fantasy of racist white rapists ?
• another awesome post! This makes a lot of sense!
john t says: Maybe you should go back and read the comments. Most people on here are in agreement to let the experts take care of it and if it does go to court let a jury decide. Most aren’t claiming who’s guilty and who is innocent.
That’s something that you, Betty and Jeston can’t get through your heads. You are the only ones on here that are claiming innocence for one side. You are the ones claiming to be experts about something you don’t know any more about than the rest of us.
• This is a case of “the pot calling the kettle black.” John *sigh* It’s obvious that are intelligence intimidates you. Don’t feel bad. Most ignorant people would feel how you feel. We’re not claiming to be “experts”. It’s just that with an educational back ground, and experience in responsible rational thinking, we are capable of analyzing situations than those with minds filled with ignorance and bigotry.
Claudo says - “Betty” is absolutely brilliant.
• Thanks claudo. I would be blushing if you’re opinion was worth anything.
john t says - Seems like another bigot has joined the trio. Now we have a foresome.
• seems like anyone who disagrees with john t is a bigot. Maybe someone should get john t dictionary so he can learn what that word means.
justice58 says - “Betty”….. You need serious help because you’re delusional.
• sweetheart. If this helps you accept your own failures, than think what ever you need to think, but to me, you’ll always be my favorite little monkey. *kisses*
T2 says - well, woke dude, I am sorry to spoil your fantasy about date rape drugs.
We know that the DA has given his full dossier of evidence to the defence. He has publically stated so, and affirmed this in court. The defence have publically stated that there are no tox reports. The DA cannot present evidence that he does not disclose to the defence.
You therefore now know that there is no evidence of a date rape drug in the “AV”’s system, because the DA would have had to present it.
Although hysteria about date rape drugs is high, actual instances are few and far between. Here is a clear example:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4179037.stm
Oh, and what a surprise; a woman using poison to rob men.
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1037699,00.html
T2
• I would have to agree with T2 on this. Woke dude you need to wake up and focus on the facts.
T2 says to john t - bigots have beliefs, independent of the facts.
• This is true john. You have to let go of your bigotry and look at the facts. The boys are innocent and the black stripper lied.
john t says - Why didn’t you put the part of my post about not saying who’s guilty and who’s not.
• The stripper and Mike Nifong is guilty of making false claims of rape and aiding and abetting malicious prosecution of innocent boys.
Justice58 - “LISTEN TO MY WORDS… THE ACCUSED WILL BE TRIED IN A COURT OF LAW AND A JURY WILL DECIDE THEIR FATE.”
Chris Ford says to justice58 - No they won’t. If they are innocent and being currently punished by 400K bail bonds, names slimed in the media, banned from school, travel, employability — and thousands in unreimbursable legal costs every month even if the Magical “Jury Knows Best” logic actually was true…the last thing an innocent person is to want all that bleeding to continue for another year before they put their fate in the crapshoot hands of a racially polarized jury in a racially polarized town that dislikes “outsiders” to boot.
Fortunately for the 3 accused, they are watching the lies of the accuser and Nifong being shredded further every day and likely will never have to risk their lives on how 12 on a split Southern Jury “feel” about their Yankee butts.
Leaving what is now widely considered - a case that echoes the Scottsboro Boys - in a resolution path….of repercussions on who were the actual victimizers. Shall the stripper’s name and photos be published nationwide if she turns out to have lied so maliciously? I say yes, as that would mean she, as the victimizer, faces severe repercussions as scum. Some of the photos so far concealed under rape shield laws directly expose her as a liar, and her name and primary profession are well known ouside what the MSM dares write.
And if she lied and Nifong used “Duke outsiders” to Durham as his patsies to advance politically, the State and the NC Bar should end his legal career as a disgrace to the profession.
• Nicely put. Justice58 I hope you are capable of appreciating Chris Ford correcting your fasle assumption, and I hope you’ll be a little more responsible when you post comments.
john t says - bigot n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
• I agree. This defines you (john t) to a “t”.
Michelle says – To claudo and justice58… don’t worry, you’re still my favorite monkeys. come get the peanut! This is the exact phrase GOOB used with me once. When I disproved his point without responding to the name calling, he(?) apologized and said, “I told you I was just throwing peanuts at the monkeys.” Hmmmm…..
* I can easily recognize monkeys, but I don’t mean it as an insult. You see. Monkeys love to scream, shout and make a lot of noise, but don’t make any sense except to other monkeys. That describes claudo, justice58, john t, and you michelle. I thought it was a nice way to refer to your actions. I’m sorry if I offended you. But I would have to say that this is your most calm response. Maybe you’re evolving?
Claudo says - Did you google JD, yet?
* nope. I really don’t spend that much time thinking about anything you say. Your opinion isn’t worth that much effort.
Whitey says - I almost forget to mention that everyone’s favorite advocacy group for the AV, the NBPP’s website has been down all week ’cause they can’t afford the bandwidth to keep it up. Now if they would go ahead and hock their guns maybe they could keep their website up.
cheers!
* LOL!
JayMayandJoseph says - And thank YOU Betty for your rapier-like wit:
• Your very welcome. I’m glad you were able to catch it.
JayMayandJoseph says - JayMay = 1
Betty = 33
• OMG! You actually counted. I’m flattered you took the time.
john t says to RB - BTW, your whole brain is behind your back. It’s in your ***.
GrannyStandingforTruth says - It’s a pretty popular topic on your Web Site too, Anonymous. How are you coming along with your campaign against Nifong? I am amazed a racist of your calibur making rounds to visit us old minorities. Dang, you’ve, definitely, visited all of them, too. I think it’s great that your adding a little cultural diversity under your belt. I’ll admit that I’ve noticed your choice of words towards minorities is changing somewhat. I mean you’ve went from using the “N” word to using minorities, and that’s a great improvement on your part, seeing how strong of views you hold towards them.
Smh@Betty! You and your little monkey comment, smh. You must feel really brave sitting behind a computer screen making a little sly racial slur. I see you’ve been making your rounds in blog world ,too, and trying to convince people to believe one-sided evidence, while campaigning to oust Nifong. Your a real busy-body!
Oh, lookie here, you’ve brought some of your friends with you to post on Newshound’s blog. Waving my hand at Chris, UNG, Seahawk,and Anonymous. Did I miss anybody, Betty? Hmmm…I don’t see Kemperman, Steve, Tator, and the rest of your creme de la crop. Have you guys finished working out your strategy to get Nifong ousted from office, so you can replace him with a Republican? You guys still going around tampering with juries? How’s the weather in Durham?
Welp, I wouldn’t count my chickens before they hatch if I were you guys. You never know which way the wind is gonna blow from one day to the next. However, I’m sure that it’s gonna take you guys by surprise when it blows your way. Adios!
• GrannyStandingforTruth I can actually see you screaming and jumping around. Your whole comment is nothing but meaningless rants and raves… just like a monkey. Your post lacks facts, evidence, or common sense. It’s just meaningless noise of a screaming money. An old lonely monkey.
Shall the stripper’s name and photos be published nationwide if she turns out to have lied so maliciously?
• Yes.
Seems to me that you guys worry about Jesse Jackson more than he does about you. Usually, when folks always pointing a finger at someone all the time, those same folks are the ones need to be watched.
• I don’t care about Je$$ie Jack$on or his money. He lost his touch and made a fatal political mistake by aligning himself with the stripper. He associated with this stripper’s false claim of rape has only hurt him more in the eyes of the public. His name is now synonymous with racist and bigot.
Chris Ford says - Justice58 goes delusional now that his Queen is on the verge of public outing as another Tawana: he says “The women’s lacrosse team has now resended their support for the indicted players.SHAME SHAME SHAME.”
No they haven’t, and the word you’re looking for is rescinded.
• I’d like to give justice58 the benefit of the doubt, but she’s just a monkey. Let her scream and shout. It’s nothing but worthless noise.
I had hoped to catch up with all this, but my family is going to barbeque. I saw a sign to sign up for lacrosse. I’m thinking of stopping by to watch and see if my sons or daughter is interested in playing this game.
Chris Ford and Torquemada 2, I enjoy your posts. Full of facts, common sense, and fair and objective thinking.
As usual, Claudo, justice58, woke dude, granny… Your comparison to monkeys was just in the way you argue: no facts, blind emotional rants, baseless opinions, possible lies or delusional fantasies, devoid of common sense and reason, etc… basically worthless noise.
Monkey posts; although, annoying, can also be fun if you don’t take them (Claudo, justice58, woke dude, granny, etc.. ) seriously and just throw peanuts at them to make them jump and scream.
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:26 pm
Good point:
The only reason this case is continuing is because the AV won’t get any money and may possibly be charged with making a false claim if she walks away.
You have to look at the character of the folks standing up on behalf of the wrongly accused Durham 3. First a tip of the hat to that great American Hannity, but also Joe Chesire stands out.
Joe Chesire has been a tireless advocate of the downtrodden and those caught up in the “system” particularly when it has run amuck.
Most importantly, he served on the Legislative study commission that established the Indigent Defense Commission to oversee all indigent defenses throughout the state of North Carolina. This agency oversees an 80 million dollar plus budget and is responsible for the quality of representation of criminal law for indigents in our state.
the reason this case is a continuing news story is because it represents a travesty of justice.
and Wok I would have no problem in my daughter dating some members of the lacrosse team; I don’t think the famous email writer and Finnerty would necessarily be her type though.
Posted by: Whitey at May 26, 2006 06:23 PM
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
Claudo says - … hospitals do not share medical information with law enforcement unless there is a court order or a signed consent form from the patient. This nonsense about discerning whether the victim is telling the truth and relating it to the police is absolute **** - if she is doing this, she could (and should) be sued!
* Go ahead and report me idiot, and what do you think we do with the rape reports? We can’t give them to the patients – the reports on the patient, but it doesn’t belong to the patient. I suppse you think we don’t give DUI reports to the police either.
Michelle says - “When Betty Friedan took the microphone to pledge her support for the ******* rights motion, women cheered, some cried, and all around the venue, thousands of lavender balloons rose from the floor, drifting triumphantly towards the ceiling. Despite opposition from the right, the motion was overwhelmingly passed. This was a defining moment for the US Women’s Movement, for ******* rights, and for Betty Friedan.”
* Lucky for lesbians everywhere!
Claudo says = “Just a stripper” - expendable, a disposable item. To these members of the privileged class, she’s a non-entity - like their gardener or maid. To them she’s not worthy of any consideration at all as she’s just there to meet their needs and it’s all about gratification. In the land of the cotton plantations, not much has changed.
• there you go twisting things around again. You need a life!
Karllie says - Just because a woman has the seed of 2 to 3 different men in her orifices doesn’t mean she’s a prostitute.
* I agree! Many girls like to have *** with multiple partners and they don’t charge.
Jelly says - Lets just hope we never find ourselves wearing shoes similar to that of this victim.
Posted by: Jelly
* It’ll never happen, I would never make a false accusation of rape.
Scarlet
The Duke Lacrosse story has been around for weeks, Lay and Skilling were just found guilty yesterday! Do you know how many thousands of lives these two ‘boys’ ruined?
Maybe because they are corporate big wigs the Repubs automatically don’t want to talk about them - well too damn bad - I can’t wait to see them in handcuffs in September. I hope they have a lovely summer.
• what does this have to do with the false accusation of rape?
woke dude you have some serious racial issues. Are you a member of the NBPP?
Copy Of Defense Motion (PDF file)
During one lineup done three weeks after the alleged assault, the dancer identified Evans with 90 percent certainty, saying the picture of the man was her attacker if he had a mustache.
However, Evans’ attorneys say there was a second photo lineup done just eight days after the woman says she was raped. In that lineup, attorneys say Evans was not chosen at all.
The motions also talk about information from the first officer to see the dancer. The motions say the officer had to use an ammonia capsule to rouse the unconscious woman.
The police report also says the alleged victim first reported that she was groped but not raped, but later changed her story and was taken to the hospital.
www.wral.com/news/9282720/detail.html
Posted by: Ranger Bob
* Good post, but people here, especially the thinks-she-knows-it-all Claudo and the Racist woke dude aren’t interested in evidence, They just like jumping around and screaming like monkeys. They’re quite fun to watch. I throw Claudo peanuts frequently to make her perform. She’s very preditable.
justice58 says - TO everyone…. “betty friedan” is a liar, first she said ” I work at a rape crisis center” then a trauma center… hell, she don’t even work, she watches fox news all day and suck in all their lies. Wow betty! YOU ARE SO GULLIBLE!!!
• justice58, I was wondering when you were going to show up. You’re usually not very far from spreading your hate propaganda. I guess the loony bin was too full, or did you escape? Got a life yet? Thought so. You’re such a loser. That’s what happens when you spend all your time hating men. Now men don’t want anything to do with you, and you’re all alone with only yourself to keep you company, and it can’t be very good company. Look at you. So pathetic.
• As usual you don’t read things before you “fly off the handle”.
Anonymous says - Excuse me officer, I have been raped. But could I please have the evidence back. Oh, I am sorry. That was stupid to ask for evidence that may convict my rapists. I must still be suffering from the date rape drug. (disclaimer, I don’t know what happened in the house)
Comment by UNK — 05.27.06 @ 2:19 am
* I would be very suspicious if a woman walked into the ED and calmly said she asked her rapists for evidence that could convict them, and they gave her ….
(disclaimer, I don’t know what happened in the house, but all evidence thus far suggests that she lied about a rape occurring)
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
As I have said already, Nifong is running scared. If he had anything big, he’d spill it. His desperation was obvious when he held that conference at the NCC University where he thought he was in friendly territory.
Nifong claims the boys are “stone walling”, but when the accusation was made, the police questioned the three boys who lived in the house for over six hours, not one asked for a lawyer. When the entire team was told they had to submit DNA samples, they didn’t call their parents or fight the warrant.
The boys cooperated completely. These aren’t the actions of guilty boys. Only when their parents witnessed the circus-like atmosphere created by District Attorney Mike Nifong, the boys were advised to remain quiet.
Nifong nationally proclaimed that he will indict the entire team for aiding and abetting. He doesn’t care whether anyone is innocent or guilty, or if he has to bulldoze over 50 boys to get to one. Nifong portrayed all of these boys as rapists while claiming that they’re hiding information because the only information they have is that the rape never occurred, and DNA evidence supports the boys’ story, and the second stripper coincides with the boys account of events, but it doesn’t matter.
Because of Nifong, these boys have already been convicted in the media. Their reputations destroyed as their names and pictures are widely distributed with hate slogans labeling them as rapist.
Nifong will get an indictment to avoid facing the racial tensions he stoked to near riot levels, then he will leave this “powder keg” to the next elected DA to handle the fallout, and when this case presents itself to be unfounded and accusations of “white privilege” force racial tensions to explode, I predict Mr. Nifong will be somewhere far far away on vacation.
Stripper claims: three men raped her on the bathroom rug,
Fact:
• No vaginal or seminal fluid, no skin, blood, or hair were found anywhere in the bathroom, bath towels, bath rug, door handle, bathroom floor, basin, water faucet handle, etc.
• A man cannot take off a condom and not get DNA from himself or the female on his hands and not transfer it to everything he touches?
• Accuser claims she was vaginally penetrated; accuser claims she was panicked and thought she was going to die; Where is her vaginal fluid, urine, or blood anywhere in the bathroom? Does her body defy basic physiology capable of keeping any ejaculate from spilling out?
• Accuser claims she was anally penetrated; Where’s her fecal material or scat smears in the bathroom? Does the accuser have inhuman anal sphinter control that prevented any of the ejaculate from dripping out?
• Accuser claims she was orally sodomized; where is DNA from her saliva and tears? Did she lick up every drop and swallowed any evidence?
Stripper claim bruises were result of an attack from three boys:
Fact: Time-stamped photos prove stripper arrived bruised and cut while drunk.
Nifong stated that a condom was used, if this is true than where is the spermicidal lubricant evidence? Where are the condoms? Where are the condom wrappers? Where is the empty condom box?
If no DNA material were present on the stripper, than why were DNA samples taken? The District Attorney vigorously claimed that these DNA evidence will clear the innocent.
When we think of a single mother, we picture a woman struggling to support herself and her children. Laura Grissim [Letters; April 14] plays on this stereotype to portray the Durham rape accuser/stripper as a stereotypical working single mom.
It’s amazing how just by claiming a person to be a “mother” puts a “halo” on her head. Feminist claim that some women have no other option to provide for herself and her children which paints a picture of a selfless martyr, but this is misleading especially regarding this particular “single mom”. This single mom and her children live with their grandfather so the threat of being homeless or hungry is unlikely. This single mom has been arrested in for larceny and evading police, which doesn’t fit the mold of “martyr”. This single mom arrived at the party inebriated and was found drunk and disorderly in a parking lot, but looking at this woman as an individual instead of a sexist stereotype reveals a more realistic picture of this single mom which dims her halo.
Feminist go on to rants that criticizing this woman “hinges on blaming the victim”. This single mom is not a victim. This single mom is an accuser. There’s enough evidence to question her integrity and whether a crime actually occurred. I find it hypocritical that feminist so easily give this “single mom” the benefit of the doubt while condemning a group of boys who happen to be on a sports team. People should avoid stereotypes and focus on each individual, including the “accuser”, as a person.
The actions of District Attorney Mike Nifong have been reckless and irresponsible in playing out this case before the national media. This has inflamed racial stereotypes throughout Durham which makes it more important that everyone take a step back and let the police do their job. If this woman lied; thus exposing Nifong as a fool, then she should be prosecuted for this crime, which have destroyed these young boys’ lives and reputations. Being a “single mom” shouldn’t be an excuse to condone being so reckless and destructive.
Apparently the “second stripper charged with embezzling $25,000” changed her story to conspire with the “lying stripper under probation for larceny and trying to kill a police officer with a stolen car” as part of a deal with Nifong to get released from jail, also contacted a public relations firm to “not let this opportunity pas her by and to spin it to my advantage”.
This in the wake of pictures surfacing showing that the “lying stripper” had those fake finger nails missing before the time she lied that a rape occurred.
With the taste of his own foot still lingering in his mouth, District Attorney Mike Nifong has another piece of evidence blow up in his face, I wonder how’s his ulcer is doing?
So would it be his own aura or is it the universe’s way of getting back at Nifong for destroying these young boys lives?
It would be funny if Nifong’s ulcer leads to a colonoscopy, or would it be “ironic” or “poetic justice” that he screws 47 boys over a false rape claim and have to take a 36 inch colonoscopy tube up his @ss for his part in the fiasco he created.
Lets not forget that not only that there lacks any DNA evidence of the boys, but there’s an absolute absence of DNA from her who claims she was raped vaginally, anally, and orally… why wasn’t any of HER vaginal, urine, blood, sweat, fecal, saliva, or tears not found anywhere in the bathroom? Nifong claims that condoms could have been used, then where are the condoms? The condom wrappers, the condom box, the spermicidal evidence from the rape kit?
Some feminist claim the boys were drunk and where so overwhelmed with excitement that they couldn’t ejaculate- not even one, obviously these women have never had *** with a 19 year old male or any male.
Finally, don’t forget the three boys who lived in the house agreed to be questioned by the police for over six hours, and volunteered to a lie detector test. When the boys were told to surrender DNA samples, none called their parents r tried to block the order, they complied because they new the “stripper with the criminal record” was lying. These are not the actions of guilty boys, but Nifong claimed that they were all covering up for each other and will charge each of them with aiding and abetting because the only information they had is that no rape occurred.
These boys were and continue to be put through hell by these criminal strippers and an unscrupulous DA. Hopefully these three will be held accountable for the racial riots pending the acquittal of these innocent boys.
Posted by: Jeston George at May 26, 2006 05:14 PM
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
Now that the tables have turned, and holes have been poked all through this case and the accusers’ story, you guys get upset and wonder why people could ever defend an evil white male. Take race out of this, and LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE!!!
If you people would stop being jelous and racist of other people then we wouldn’t have these problems. However, since you are… I smell another Tawana Brawley coming on. I can’t wait until 2007.
Posted by: Jeston George at May 26, 2006 01:45 PM
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
The accuser’s story changes again–
abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4208878
“She was wearing a see-through red outfit,
( Is this what she was wearing when she left the house?)
with no undergarments and one high-heel shoe”. . .
Shelton says he got an ammonia capsule from his patrol car.
“When I used it, the female began mouth-breathing, which is a sign that she was not really unconscious,” he wrote. . .
(snip)
Shelton says the woman would not speak with police officers, so they decided to take her for involuntary commitment at the Durham Access Center. . .
“He called me and stated the female stated she had been raped
“She said some of the guys from the party pulled her from the vehicle and groped her. She told me that no one forced her to have ***.”
“. . . Within a few minutes, I was told that she told the [doctor] that she had been raped. I returned and asked her if she had or had not been raped. She told me she did not want to talk to me anymore and then started crying and saying something about them dragging her into the bedroom.”
(not to mention the twenty white men, reduced to four, then reduced to three; then the broom, the rape coats, the condoms or no condoms, etc.)
Comment by Seahawk — 05.27.06 @ 8:54 am
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
Claudo says - Ah “Betty” the “feminist” - former rape crisis now trauma center “nurse.” Also a “minority” (but we don’t know which one) - were you the African American woman (Pamela), on another posting, who “grew up in the hood” (don’t know which hood) who was railing on (as you have) about all those innocent men who “have been convicted wrongly by lying whores.” Seems rather convenient that both you and Pamela speak with the same phrases and are “minorities” speaking out against their fellow African American. Sorry, “Betty,” you have no “creds” - street or otherwise. You missed your calling - rather than a “trauma” nurse who wouldn’t waste time working at a rape crisis center, you should have been a lawyer …
Pamela seems like a very intelligent woman. Just because people like me grew up poor and disadvantage, doesn’t mean we all have blind hate with those who didn’t. Instead of blaming those who had more than I. I worked hard to get a college education, career, and family. Now because of the decisions I’ve made, I enjoy a good life, and it’s primarily because I didn’t spend all my time hating other people for what they had, and worked to get what I needed to succeed. People “minorities” should be held accountable for the decisions they make.
For example: You say I should have been a lawyer. Most of my teachers in high school and guidance councilors told me the same thing, but I decided that I could make just as much being a nurse. Nurses can go to school for only two years and make over $100,000.00, and they’re many scholarships offered to low income students who promise to work in two years. If they (nurses) decide to go back to school, the medical institution pays tuition and costs, so tuition and student fees are free, and all school supplies i.e. from related books to computers are tax deductible. So unlike lawyers, I never had a school loan to pay off. I also considered becoming an accountant, but they make less than nurses, but have school loans as big as lawyers. So I’m happy for the decision I made. I’m responsible for the decisions I make, and I make only responsible decisions; thus my life reflect it.
If people like “woke dude” spend less time blaming whites for what they worked for and started making changes in his own life, than maybe he wouldn’t be so angry all the time. You “claudo” appear to have a lot of issues.
Claudo says - or do you also have a JD?
* I don’t know what a JD is, but I have a BMW SUV, and my husband drives an Acura MDX, Our family car is a Honda Odyssey, and my eldest son (17 years) drives a Honda S2000 (My husband is part owner of two Acura/Honda Dealerships).
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
Stav506 - “The point is to show how FOX News does not really cover news that actually pertains to the public. This Duke case is strictly a fluff piece about rich white boys that are trying to get out of trouble.”
No, it’s not fluff as it has resonated across many campuses, cancelled the season of the top-rated NCAA Team. And your bias is noted. When have your ilk ever gone after accused “poor black boys” trying to get off the hook. Indeed, I could likely see your identity politics-riddled brain snapping back “How-Dare-You say the Prohibited Phrase “Black Boys!!”. In truth, I don’t use “black boys” in my vernacular but I will call out anyone that thinks “white boys” is an acceptable derisive term.
DaveJ - “I said it before, the evidence is looking a little thin, but shouldn’t a court decide this?
We haven’t seen the evidence. I’m sure NiFong has asked the AV if she really had a case as he doesn’t want her (and along with her, his credibility) shredded on a witness stand.”
If you were innocent, DaveJ, the last thing you’d want to do is remain ensnarled in a legal system that bleeds you of thousands of dollars a month, bars you from attending college or travel without permission, all so you can have the “treat” after a year of letting the “System slowly work”, of being judged by a biracial panel of your peers in a racially polarized town where “Dukies” are regularly bashed by townies.
No, what you would be doing is screaming and doing whatever you could to extricate yourself from any legal system that has ensnared the innocent…. As for the “we haven’t seen all the evidence, surely no indictment could occur or the nice DA wouldn’t pursue a case for political gain without evidence….there is no evidence other than the word of a criminal *****, and the word of a nurse that one way a ***** could have been filled full of ***** and beaten is by rape.
Jelly - “And to treat a navy veteran with such brazen disrespect marks a fresh low for our justice system…….That our veterans should have to strip to attend college and feed their kids is fully descriptive of Bush’s America.”
Woman was tossed from the Navy with a less-than-honorable “General Discharge” after only 1 year in for becoming pregnant through adultery with a married sailor on her ship, and factoring previous military misconduct. By law, she isn’t a Veteran, but a discard of the sort the military routinely rejects for misbehavior or “not cutting it” from Basic to 1st Duty Station. The acuser is not eligable for any Vet benefits or VA status. And Veterans with skills do not have to live off welfare fraud, money from stripping, blowjobs, and *** with 7-8 men a week in “Bush’s America”. But lying, lazy whores do.
And this ***** with kids apparantly leeches off her parents for support and housing, and the welfare system as a “full time student-single mother”, supposedly attends college for free as a single mom on welfare (Jesse Jackson rest easy. Your multimillions won on race card poker are safe! - Your Black Princess Scholarship is unneeded!) And yet, despite all that and the tax-free dollars she gets from 3 years of “hard work” stripping and doing *** for money, she still apparantly had “a secret expense” that left her so broke that it required two weeks of committment to a mental hospital on “nervousness and anxiety disorder”.
Though being a ***** and a single mom does have perks. If a man of any race had gotten drunk twice the legal limit, stole a car, and tried to kill the arresting officer with it back in 2002, they would still be a felon in jail today. Only pity as a single mommy or liberal knobbers given to lawyers kept our false accuser from jail and a felon rap sheet..
Posted by: Chris Ford
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
suspected rapists who may have drugged, assaulted, and raped a person of color,…-wokedude
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well, woke dude, I am sorry to spoil your fantasy about date rape drugs.
We know that the DA has given his full dossier of evidence to the defence. He has publically stated so, and affirmed this in court. The defence have publically stated that there are no tox reports. The DA cannot present evidence that he does not disclose to the defence.
You therefore now know that there is no evidence of a date rape drug in the “AV”’s system, because the DA would have had to present it.
Although hysteria about date rape drugs is high, actual instances are few and far between. Here is a clear example:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4179037.stm
Oh, and what a surprise; a woman using poison to rob men.
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1037699,00.html
T2
Posted by: torquemada2
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
JohnT(wat) sez - “Seems like another bigot has joined the trio.Now we have a foresome.”
Oooooooooo! The PC card gets played by John T!!
I am sooooooo intimidated!!
Typical behavior of his ilk. No substance, just 70s chants of “racism” “Sexism” “White boy privilege!” “Homophobia! Islamophobia!!” - as if labels triumph over lack of rebuttal of facts. Dispute my facts if you can. You are clueless on my ideology. Suffice it to say I have had more arguments in my circles about my belief that the Duke accuser is a lying ***** than my belief that Kobe’s accuser was a lying **** out for money. Or that Desriree Washington was truthful…
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Justice58 - “LISTEN TO MY WORDS… THE ACCUSED WILL BE TRIED IN A COURT OF LAW AND A JURY WILL DECIDE THEIR FATE.”
No they won’t. If they are innocent and being currently punished by 400K bail bonds, names slimed in the media, banned from school, travel, employability — and thousands in unreimbursable legal costs every month even if the Magical “Jury Knows Best” logic actually was true…the last thing an innocent person is to want all that bleeding to continue for another year before they put their fate in the crapshoot hands of a racially polarized jury in a racially polarized town that dislikes “outsiders” to boot.
Fortunately for the 3 accused, they are watching the lies of the accuser and Nifong being shredded further every day and likely will never have to risk their lives on how 12 on a split Southern Jury “feel” about their Yankee butts.
Leaving what is now widely considered - a case that echoes the Scottsboro Boys - in a resolution path….of repercussions on who were the actual victimizers. Shall the stripper’s name and photos be published nationwide if she turns out to have lied so maliciously? I say yes, as that would mean she, as the victimizer, faces severe repercussions as scum. Some of the photos so far concealed under rape shield laws directly expose her as a liar, and her name and primary profession are well known ouside what the MSM dares write.
And if she lied and Nifong used “Duke outsiders” to Durham as his patsies to advance politically, the State and the NC Bar should end his legal career as a disgrace to the profession.
Posted by: Chris Ford
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
Thank you, Michelle. I knew that “Betty’s” writing style was familiar - along with the absolute, vile hatred of women. Goob once bragged that he makes so much money that he can retire at 50 - Honda dealership?! The “feminist” moniker is just a, not so clever, way to make us think he’s a woman; but, his total ignorance of what the real Betty Friedan espoused and the virulent hatred of the alleged rape victim (despite being a “trauma nurse”) was a dead giveaway that Goob/You Know I’m Right/Betty was neither woman nor feminist. The attempt to show that s/he is a minority was also very weak. Goob/”Betty” also despises Dude, John T, and I and the hatred did seem to ooze out in the postings. Bye-bye Betty. Did you google JD, yet?
Posted by: claudo
LOL! Very colorful claudo. You should write children’s books. LOL!
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
Claudo,
So what is your point about indigent legal representation in NC? Nothing good can be said about it because Joe Chesire was involved in starting it? a number of the indigent lawyers in my county also happen to be minorities so to some degree it has turned out to be a boon for them. Is that a problem? Also when I went to grad school many years the gals pursuing MSW were fun to have a beer with on Thursday night. You seem a little uptight to me…
Jelly- we’ll start praising the Navy service of the AV the precise moment we praise the Marine (branch of the Navy) career of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Wok- 75% of Americans would rather live here than anywhere else in the world. So called liberal countries like Germany have something like a 25% approval rating. If rich white people or any other group of people you don’t like are making living here in the great ol’ USA such a problem for you I’m sure some of my Chinese colleagues would be happy to swap places with you in a heartbeat.
The bottom line is the lax “assault” case will remain a constant news item until the sooner of the AV confirming this whole matter was a hoax or until the trial occurs. Too bad if you were expecting it to go away sooner.
In terms of the Enron trial, I’m not unhappy with the convictions. It doesn’t stir the public because we don’t feel like these are people we know personally and complex business cases are too complicated for the public to absorb.
Posted by: Whitey
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
I almost forget to mention that everyone’s favorite advocacy group for the AV, the NBPP’s website has been down all week ’cause they can’t afford the bandwidth to keep it up. Now if they would go ahead and hock their guns maybe they could keep their website up.
cheers!
Posted by: Whitey
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
Whitey writes: “Jelly- we’ll start praising the Navy service of the AV the precise moment we praise the Marine (branch of the Navy) career of Lee Harvey Oswald.”
In fairness to Lee Harvey Oswald, at least he did service, got an honorable discharge (downgraded to the lower “General Discharge” the stripper got - after he showed up in the Soviet Union and tried renouncing his citizenship) and was a bona fide Vet (3 years), not a discarded liability like the Accuser. She lasted a little over a year on an eight-year Naval hitch she signed up for.
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Justice58, I doubt they will go to trial.
Right now, the defense lawyers are finishing up their review of the prosecution evidence dossiers and tying up gaps in discovery with court petitions for more disclosure to explain the baffling gaps in Accuser’s ID’s over 3 days, determine which ID and rape exam rules were flouted, the deal to drop 2nd stripper violations if she would be silent. They want to know why there was no toxicology test done.
Then comes the big request.
Which will be for judicial review of the Grand Jury transcripts to see if the DA and cops and SANE nurse testimony reveals deliberate lies and omissions in the quest to get indictments. Defense may ask for a 3 judge panel to review what Nifong, rookie investigator Benjamin Niman, the SANE nurse said to the Grand Jury - if known exculpating evidence, or evidence casting reasonable doubt was hidden from the Grand Jury - and if they perjured themselves and grounds for court-ordered case dismissal, personnel dismissal, and professional reprimands exists.
Did they go to the Grand Jury knowing no toxicology testing was done, but imply a date rape drug was used and would be proven? Did they say condoms were used to explain lack of any DNA from the lacrosse players while knowing the accuser said the “rapists” used no condoms and came in and on her?? The fact that formal police ID procedures were not followed?
Nifong is now experiencing the “big fish in a small pond syndrome”. Fine until the predators know you are there waiting in that nice small pond. Now the national media, State of North Carolina, legal sharpshooters, powerful Duke alumni all sense a railroading and “hick justice” is underway - and want to grab and pot the big fish. Along with his remora fish..
Any defenders he counted on are peeling away, sensing Nifong has latched onto a POS worse than Tawana Brawley, and has engaged in major legal misconduct as a DA. The premiere feminist and black gender and race card players are giving this a wide berth after their initial rallying back in March.
No Justice58, there will be no trial. Unless you mean trial for Nifong, Liman, Gottlieb, and the accuser. And national attention on the excesses of campus PC, feminist rape politics, rape shield laws once all the evidence has shaken out.
Posted by: Chris Ford
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:35 pm
*”I see you have a habit of disrespecting women by calling them out their name. My screenname is GrannyStandingforTruth. Got that?”
Not when your posts are blindly ideological and determined to avoid the facts. You can term yourself whatever you want by way of an internet handle. I just point out your monniker is a joke based on your posts.
*Granny - “I find that hard to believe, since, she was making pretty good money in her occupation. More than likely she was helping her parents. Her financial status is really none of your business, and has nothing to do with the case.”
Her financial dealings that indicate she lies frequently on matters like tax returns, false reporting of income on welfare and health care applications for her and her two “lucky” children. Previous evidence that she is a lying ***** does indeed bear on the case, as it further undermines her credibility. And, if the money goes for malt liquor & drug abuse, that further damages the reliability of her testimony, as does her 2005 mental hospitalization for “mental anxiety and panic attacks” over being broke despite her welfare scams and err……”hard work” in her rewarding trade…..
And yes, the strippers lying about her taxable income, her scamming to get free family health care, getting welfare checks does affect all taxpayers being milked by her…if that part of the story is true.
*Granny - “You must be one brave soul calling a woman that you don’t know personally a ***** behind a computer screen. Why don’t you go to the trial and say that. I would love to watch you get your behind stomped on national television. Please wear a name tag, so I’ll know it’s you.”
What are you going to do if a trial ever happens, and her prostitution work for the escort agencies is discussed by lawyers? Beat them up in court, you moron?? Spare us your stupid threats.
*Granny defends her favorite Poverty Pimp and Racial Blackmail Artist Jesse - “Why are you and different folks worried about how Jesse Jackson spends his money? You didn’t and haven’t put a dime in his pocket;therefore, how he chooses to spend his money is really none of your BUSINESS!”
Jesse became a multimillionaire and similarly enriched his confederates through race card shakedowns of rich Jews and corporations. Who just pass their added costs onto the American people. So how the Most Holy Rev. Jackson gets his money is all of our business.
*Granny - “But these so-called innocent, saints shouldn’t have to follow the same legal course as others do, is that correct?”
The Canon of legal ethics say that no prosecution should go forward if probable cause does not exist. And any prosecutor abusing his office in railroading the innocent should face censure, disbarment, even jail time. The legal system is cognizant of the harm of maliciously ensnaring the innocent without just cause to believe they are guilty because the legal system says that in order for it and it’s officers to be held immune from litigation for damages - it takes a high standard of evidence to go to trial.
*Granny - “How condescending of you to mention, “where Dukies” are regularly bashed by townies.” Could it be caused by the racist acts towards the “townies” as you call them?”
No, just stating fact. But Durham’s underclass is resentful of anyone, and some in it’s ranks will kill or rape blacks as fast as they would whites or Duke students if given an opportunity. In fact, the people in Durham that really have the most cause to be in a seething rage are the parents of 5 black college students/college grads, no serious crimes between them - 4 of whom were murdered and the survivor who had an eye blown out by a .45 as he flinched during the execution shots of the two black intruders. It seems that the police are still waiting on “resources” to allow the DNA evidence from the quadruple murder last November to be tested. And when the Victim families heard about the special treatment of the stripper case - over a 200 DNA tests of lacrosse players, the bathroom, and the stripper done in under 3 weeks, they went bullshit and began talking to the media. Went even more bullshit when “more resources” were found for doing all the stripper DNA tests all over again through an expensive private lab after Nifong rolled snake eyes at the state lab, and from discovering that the murder investigation stopped so those cops could join the “rape team”.
If the ***** was lying her *** off, as the details seem to suggest, her lies not only harmed the Duke players, but also severely harmed the feelings and trust of the black victims of the November muders and maimings by sucking up resources from a real major crime.
www.newsobserver.com/145/story/444574.html
*Granny - “Granny giving major eye rollage and looking down at you!”
As if anyone cares what eye rolls and “looking down” a partisan gutter dweller like you gives them.
*Granny - “I find this remark very hyprocritical, since you and your friends have been slinging her name and personal information around on different blogs, since day one.”(Granny on my suggestion that her name and pictures be released if she or Nifong admit she made the whole rape accusation up.)
I have not “slung her name around”. I know what it is, but have never reposted it. I believe it should not be revealed, nor photos, until it is confirmed she is a liar - as well as a ***** (the facts confirm that). But then, all rape shield laws and MSM agreement to be silent should fall by the wayside and her name, face, and whole life story be out in public to facilitate a reexamination of campus PC, feminist rape politics, athlete bashing by feminists, (the media is sitting on a ton of dirt about this POS’s 1st false rape accusation, other behavior in the Navy contributing to her being discarded, drug abuse tales, former pimp, a possible blackmail/extortion scheme with a John being threatened with a rape accusation unless he paid more money.)
Posted by: Chris Ford
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
It is conceivable that if a person were in a choke hold from behind and being sodomized with an object, there would not be any marks on those who were doing the choke hold nor any DNA. The defense defenders talk about condoms - but the penetrating object might not have been a male organ. The Dukies also had time to scrub the bathroon with bleach. The “time stamps” could be bogus as well as the bruises on the legs (anyone with computer savvy could doctor pictures). There are a number of questions that can be asked of the defense.- claudo
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you know, we have had a bit of talk here about evidence; as opposed to completely unsupported speculation. The AV is on record as saying she was orally, vaginally and anally raped, that she fought hard and scratched, and that she was choked. Nothing about condoms, no choking from behind when she didn’t move, and couldn’t tell if she was being assaulted by an object. And when you are getting a **** in your mouth, by and large you can tell the difference between a ****, and an “object”.
Yeah, sure all the evidence might have been taken by an FBI KKKonspiracy, digitally altered, and put back into cameras; presumably digitally altered bruises and cuts on the victims that the KKKonspiracists would have to know about, so that they would be consistent with those on the victim. Maybe it was the police that were conspiring, or wait- the X-files !
This is real careful analysis of the facts
Posted by: torquemada2
on May 29th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
Torquemada2 - You forgot the 3rd “fact for:”
The stripper was evaluated as beaten and full of *****.
The nurse said that was consistent with being beaten and raped.
What the nurse didn’t say was that was:
A. Also consistent with being screwed and beaten by her pimp.
B. Consistent with *** with 3 guys right before her “stripper gig” and being beaten for being behind on her drug payments. Or 3 guys and five “Johns” the drivers said she was dropped off to “service” one more more beating her before the “rape”. Fortunately for the “Johns”, they wore condoms.
C. Consistent with falling down the stairs type inebriation and being filled with ***** from various sources Other than the Duke students, who were ruled out as a ***** source by two levels of DNA testing.
On the “con side” don’t forget:
(1) It is the word of 41 guys with no significant crim