IE7 Beta 1: The Annoyances
There are few things that annoy me about IE 7.00.5112. First off, it’s not all that great. I just don’t feel overwhelmed when I run it, you know? I definitely had high expectation when I downloaded it, but those are all in vain. Instead, I have the following Internet Explorer 7 gripes:
1) The base color of the tabs is different than the rest of the application’s base color:
2) The tabs bar has an extra tab nubbin to open a new tab:
3) The refresh button has been placed seemingly randomly:
4) The standard windows UI layout of putting the file menu at the top has been broken. The file menu is now underneath the tabs:
5) The phishing filter makes no attempt to prevent me from reporting Microsoft.com:
Phishing Filter Feedback: Confirmation
Thank you for reporting www.microsoft.com/ as a suspected phishing site. Your feedback is important and helps us to better protect customers from phishing.
You can read more about their laughable filter here: msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/IETechCol/dnwebgen/MSPhishingFilterWP.asp
6) The phishing filter thinks submitting user information via POST is bad:
7) Internet Explorer will close when you hit close, no matter how many tabs you have open. You can even watch it kill the tabs one by one on a slower machine:
The search is automatically Google. Why doesn’t the IE Team promote MSN? The tagline here is “Microsoft loves Google:”
9) There is a lot of wasted space on the links bar. For some reason, every link appears to have a min-width setting that makes them overly wide. So, the links bar that was half empty before in IE6 is now running off the screen:
For some other interesting takes on IE7, you can read Is Internet Explorer 7 blocking Google?, IE7 CSS Updates, Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 Tips & Tricks, and The Real Reason Microsoft Won’t Support CSS2 in IE7.
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IE 7 is PATHETIC… Miscrosoft is going down the drain..cant imagine them making this better any more.
IE7 u get the pop-up blocker which blocks everything thing. And it will do so even if you turn it Off.
1. Drop downs dont work
2. they ask u install the beta version….but hey u have a drop down there…did u forget????
3. On click of link on google search reslts….it takes to some stupid advertisements.
4. And worst is you cannot install IE6 again..
5. You can t even browse and add an attachment on yahoo…how cool is that.
I think I will surely dump Microsoft someday!! and its going to be soon
You guys suck!!
So, I went to microsoft update. It told me I need to use IE 5 or later, despite me having 6. It made me install this bullshit that is 7.
It still wont update, and now I have wasted my time, and will promptly uninstall this.
If M$ are so retarded that their uber secure website is refusing even IE7 to access updates, then I cant wait to go back to bloody linux.
well,where can i download this ie7,and if it’s a cracked version,i’ll be glad.
How can I uninstall this POS from Vista? Cant!
Overall, I like the beta version, but I cannot access several sites that are critical to my life, one is my bank, Wells Fargo’s site among others. So I need to remove this version 7 and get back to where I was previously just to run my finances online, which is very important to me.
I have read over 8 blogs/forums for how to uninstall this thing and I have tried them all with no luck. Most are just parroting the source, so they are identical instructions. It does not show up in the add/remove list with the “updates” box checked. I have tried all the other long paths in the “run” from start menu and from c:\ prompt in CMD window. And my hidden files is enabled. No LUCK!! I need deeper help….any suggestions?
I’m likely not going to ever be on this blog again, so if you truely think you can help me get back to ver 6 safely, please call me to assist me. ph# 512-844-4111 (10am to 7pm CST) HUGE THANKS
“you lame open source obsessed morons”
Wardy…you’re a ****. ’nuff said.
It suprises me how many people refuse to accept the obvious truth that is progress !!
As time goes on people demand more from their hardware and this requires more powerful software, I am newly qualified as a microsoft certified Progammer using the C# language they designed for the framework and from my point of view the features that a new browser makes availible are improving the experience that a user has when they visit any web site.
I noticed CSS was talked about but not XML or HTML … both also considered industry standards and on top of these XSL Tranforms can be used on XML now and are interpereted fine every time from what ive seen.
These are newer technologies that go with newer software that talks to newer hardware … whenever you release a new product it will have bugs these are garanteed but i think with all the bashing that microsoft has taken lately they have learnt a lot of lessons….
1. Security has never been good enough
Vista and IE7 are designed to work together and provide a whole host of protection features that will give the user peace of mind in this field. And dont even go there with the whole linux thing … linux doesnt come with any security software that has to be purchased from a company on top … wernt the point to open source supposed to promote free software ???
2. Bugs … there has always been more than usual in microsoft products
This is perception exploited by the open source community as they feel somehow that microsofts aim is to take over the world … what the hell would a bunch of random people know about building a stable platform in any shape or form for a start … microsoft pretty much pick and choose the best in the industry to work for them as a team on a project … these people are dam good at what they do and the MSDN library is all the evidence il ever need on that front … so who develops linux exactly ???
from what ive seen theres one company on the kernel then another for each product that comes mounted on top of it !!!
So logically if i spent 2 hours looking for bugs in any microsoft product then looked for 2 hours in to any other product from just about any other company that was designed to do the same job what’s the betting i would find the same number of bugs in that ? … possibly more because if was developed by a team of people from the open source community they would have no idea of each others way of thinking and a total lack of a common goal wouldnt they ??
3. The hardware issue .. new stuff means slower speed
This is not the case the performance is still there at doing the original task but because there are new features these also need a bit of proccessing power and a little resource allocation here and there !!!
I saw someone on another forum moaning about the .net framework last week because it takes 20 megs of ram … lets think about that … universal framework to which you can fundamentally derive just about any product from and enables seamless cross language integration with the OS and total saftey checking of your code for flaws … 20 megs … yes ican see how thats a massive resource killer when the average pc these days even for joe poor is running at least a p2 with a reasonable amount of ram … lets say minimum of about 64 megs for arguments sake ??
Vista and IE7 both reccommend a high spec pc for an optimal experience they do not demand it !!!
Ive had vista running like lightning on my other halves laptop and its only got a 1 ghz proccessor with 64 megs of ram and a standard graphics card that shares the system ram !!!
so just coz you lame open source obsessed morons think some old kernel from 50 years ago is faster at doing 1 thing than a core part of windows it dont mean that everything that comes out of microsoft is **** … grow up and learn to be properly objective if your going to complain !!!
No offence to our host here as i felt his comments wer based on real boggles he may consider to be annoying in the long run and his guest from the IE7 dev team here appreciates this to i see.
Regards,
Wardy
They added something in so that if you changed computer accounts you cannot uninstall it. Too bad I can’t find how to bypass this anywhere. I deleted the account I had it on and made a new one due to some annoyances I had on that account. Anyone know how I can handle this?
Since it’s not actually here on the page I thought I’d volunteer how to ACTUALLY uninstall it:
To uninstall Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 or 2 and return to Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP SP2:
1. Click “Start,” and then click “Control Panel.”
2. Click “Add or Remove Programs.”
3. Select “Show Updates” at the top of the dialog box, if it is not
already selected.
4. Scroll down the list to “Windows XP – Software Updates,” select
“Internet Explorer 7 Beta (version #, could be 1 or 2),” and then click “Change/Remove.”
5. Hands off until you get the message to reboot. SAY YES TO REBOOT!!!
6. After restart, init may be a bit slower than usual, this is normal as there may be some background file restores.
7. All done. Back to where you started; take a deep breath.
Oh come on people, when MS first releases IE they got smacked around for being a monopoly, they are just doing thier duty releasing a buggy piece of **** that drives people away from using their software, we all know google will rule the software game soon enough (as soon as bandwidth increases) and MS only survives by convincing you to upgrade every two seconds. 2000 was as stable an interface as was ever needed by the world but they screwed that up by making XP, and now Vista which seems to need 8 to 9 Gig of hard drive space, the hardware companies invent more powerful Hardware, and MS makes new operating systems to slow it back down, we all know this is true, you run 2000 on any modern computer and its like a rocket ship, now Vista comes along with soe ingrained visual effects designed to waste resources and force people to upgrade to a newer platform HELLO we still have companies with server gear out there that can’t be upgraded from 98 or NT, as far as this Ie7 goes, its ****, you know it I know it we all know it, for starters isn’t it about time MS started using some smart cacheing into local system ram, instead of making people fight windows and using their little Ram drive setups just to get better performance, most of us will be running with at least 2 gig of ram insiede of 2 years, (I will have 4) and for god sake try to ADD to an older product GUI not redesign it, its looks fine already as for your transition effects and ****, ooh I am so impressed (NOT) they make me feel quesy, nobody buys windows for the special effects, we want stable, secure, and friendy enough that we can teach grandma to send an email, without having to relearn to pilot the OS, to the guy who runs the development team for ie7, why not make it look clean and simple, most people seem to be bitching over the look, nevermind about the bad code and the rest, we all have 5-7 years of updates to fix that, you programers need to have some marketing people work with you, I will only be buying vista and the whole mess for some hopefully working 64 bit support (no offence to you wonderful linux users) Stop reinventing the wheel and just sell the car already.
Sorry to flame Ms, they are just too ritch too have to make a bigger effort lol
I stand astonished how much people do NOT understand about the concept of Beta software! Especially a first beta!
Now if it had been posted as a release candidate I agree it would have been a completely different story, but guys, this is a software company giving you something to give feedback on, and has not been sold as the last and final version.
It is a stake in the ground to work from. It is easier for people to assist with guiding the want’s and want-not’s if they can get something to look at rather than reading a document with lots of jargon!
Be constructive, and work towards something that is applicable to a wider audience and keep the petty gripes to yourself!
ie7 is superb as it is java featured, tabs makes it very handy to use and i think somewhere speed is also increased
These are exactly the mistakes that i found in my first 2 hours of use of the IE 7 beta 1 … Tis ok but it has soooo many flaws :-/
Wrt point 6 or yours) Your wp admin panel is ok … mine looks aweful. The posting page is dreadful. Especially the part where you have to select which category it goes into. In this case FF >> IE 7
One of the biggest jokes was that ms phishing report thing lol
And see this one pic for starters. It says your site is supicious :S
For some reason, I still prefer the Avant Browser interface, even though it uses the older IE6. This new IE7 doesn’t even come close to Avant’s functionality (which I have become accustomed to).
I wonder why Microsoft, which is an innovative company IMHO, is unable to catch up with Avant in terms of its IE7 features….
I’m tired to hear people complaining about IE. What should and shouldn’t.
I believe that IE 4.01, was the top of the revolution in browser technology.
I’m sorry that NN got sold same period, leaving IE without any kind of outstanding competition. But that’s the history. On contrary, IE 5 was a disaster just like NN 4.6 or .7 and later used to bee. (It’s obvious there was no competition). I’m also very sorry to see that W3C is being more NN supportive than perfect IE4.1 in expressions agrguments. I think that it’s up to the current browsers to introduce new standards and solutions not the W3C. Logically, the W3C should pick up the best solutions, experience and inventions, from all agents, standardize current, than adopt new advanced features and impose to other browsers as a standard. But how the things are going, it turns out that W3C is going to become some sort dictator that will be drawing the lines. Instead of adoptig the IE’s allready beautifull and flexibile ‘innerHTML’ they atop of all current browsers invent something absolutely unusable, robust, totaly unknown to the scripters. These node type of thing. There are a lot of scripting DOM expressions since IE 4.x that were far more advanced than the latest W3C model that ojectively is not doing any good to the scripting pros except making their scripting worst & miserable.
What I expect from future IE browsers is to make another step of revolution: introducing a multibrowser support agent. (I should be paid for this!). A Translator. Coupled with the on-need emulator for unsupported features for other browsers. That is, not except the W3C’s f.i.: “getElementById(‘elementsID’)”, but rather translate it to a simple IE element selector: “elementsID”. Or in case the browser enconter f.i.: ‘target’, simply translate it to ’srcElement’ and similar to these. In case of not supported commands, there is always just a little step towards emulating them.
A browser equiped with Translator/Emulator, could very soon become a universaly used browser. And a lot of other browser dependant scripters would keep their old habbits but open up to new things that IE agent would introduce in meantime. etc, etc,
etc.
etc…
I have also noticed a few problems with the beta. These are outlined as I have experienced them.
1. The popup blocker cannot be turned off it continues to still block popups after it is suppose to be turned off.
2. You cannot choose to instal an ActiveX control by right clicking the information bar.
3. Some websites freeze and will never become unfrozen and you will have to end the process on iexplorer.exe in order to close it.
4. I too have a complaint about the menu being place below the tab.
5. Overall it is an ugly piece of software. I can probably design a better browser in a month.
6. Finally it blocks the script that allows a browse dialog to be shown when you want ot upload a pic from your computer for instance.
Hopefully all these problems are fixed in a later beta or in the final version. It is very buggy and cannot be used as a primary browser at all. Very Unstable.
I agree for the most part, I personally love that extra nub to open a new tab
I think that the above is the weirdest comment on my blog network yet. Really.
you ******* piece of ****! i came to this site searching how to uninstall that spam bullshit and all you give me is more **** that everyone knows. i’ll ******* piss on your grave
Your dead father.
that seems really annoying to me. Well, it was still in Beta. so hope there would be wuick changes for IE7.
Hey Elliott … I am new here, so please forgive me if I am a little “newbie-ish”.
I was completely frustrated with the links bar myself … most of my “Links Bar Titles” in IE6 were 2, 3 or 4 charachters so I can cram more into a 1600×1200 screen.
Anyway … I stumbled across something very interesting … change the names of ALL of your links to 3 or 4 charachters and VOILA! They magically all shrink to the space of the longest name … for example if most of your link bar names are 4 charachters but one is 9 charchters, ALL names will take up a space equal to 9. If some of your names are 2 or 3 with one at 4, they will ALL be 4 … etc.
It worked for me … hopefully it works for others out there, because I know many are frustrated by this same problem.
To anyone who read my previous post, it’s probably pretty obvious that the thing I forgot to consider is that if I am testing things locally using a local web server, like apache, that I wouldn’t have the problem with the href=”#object” references. ( Like http://localhost/page.htm ) I’m not sure why that never occurred to me. Still, it’s worth mentioning that this differs from IE6. The whole thing about launching a new window when you switch between internet and local zones seems like an effort (possibly court ordered) to separate Internet Explorer from the rest of Windows. I’m sure it will all become clearer to me after I give Vista 5112 a whirl.
I’ve always been a fan of IE for one reason, everyone tests in IE, and therefore everything works in IE. I’ve been a great proponent of using IE to pay careless web authors the courtesy of viewing their pages as they were intended. Recently I’ve been giving firefox a try. I have to say, I’m really enjoying it, however, I find it to be a very buggy browser, especially in regard to context menus and multiple monitors. Bugzilla is full of posts about this kind of stuff. The fact that many websites still lack total firefox support isn’t helping things either. Still, I’m willing to give firefox (and web designers) a little time to fully mature.
In testing IE7, it was pretty obvious that Microsoft means to make a firefox-like browser, but without being too obvious about it. I think they’re trying to bring just enough innovation to the table (in this phishing filter *cough*scare tactic*cough*) to keep hold of their massive market share of msn-browsing, msn-messenger-using, hotmail-loving, you-just-won-an-ipod-banner-clicking technophobes that’ll use anything that microsoft puts in front of’em.
I really don’t mind any of the annoyances you pointed out so far, except for the obvious lack of a multiple tabs closure warning (it doesn’t have to be an alert like firefox, how about a little menu that says “close this tab / close all tabs” what originates from the top-right corner?) The refresh/go/stop button takes a little getting used to, and doesn’t always turn into the go button when it should, but I don’t suspect it really matters, it’ll be gone by beta 2.
I did notice that IE7 is pretty annoying for local web page testing. When you open a local web page with IE7 it goes into “my computer” mode which is essentially the same, except (one thing I’ve noticed is) whenever an anchor href is clicked it refreshes the page before going to that anchor… thus I can’t test certain javascripts locally. Also, if I paste a local file path into an IE7 window that’s in the “internet” mode, instead of that window switching to “my computer” mode, it opens the file in a new browser window (default browser, mine happens to be firefox currently.) Annoying.
I would really love to see IE7 be the best browser in town, if for no other reason, to take some of the wind out of these hippies sails with their holier-than-thou “I use firefox cuz micro$oft is a CORPORATION… I like open-source because it promotes world peace” ****. I swear people think that bill gates is up in a tower in a thunderstorm somewhere stroking a cat and plotting world domination.
P.S. I agree, don’t promote other search engines. Just let them make their own plugins for the quick search box, like firefox. Kudos on the PNG support… it’s about freaking time! Now it’ll only be like 5 more years before enough people have upgraded that I can add alpha-channel PNG images to my pages without some javascript nonsense to back it up. How about adding it to IE6 via windows update?
P.P.S. Not that I’m advocating priated windows copies or anything, but restricting IE7 to only WGA authorized systems isn’t the way to repress the spread of firefox. Sorry for the excessively long post, Elliott.
There was a time that I actually thought I.E was a good browser now it`s so full of holes even dear Liza has switched to Firefox! To add to the two finger salute Microsoft is currently snubbing previous versions so much for customer loyalty! No other browser can afford to treat its customers so shabbily but I`m sure they`ll be making a version that works in Linux though! Trouble is Firefox got there first and are making a better product. Memo to Microsoft: Smaller is better, quicker and simpler! is there anyone out there listening though?
Oh–thanks Shaun. I thought it looked more cryptic than usual, but I hadn’t associated the IE7 jscript project with “Dean Edwards” yet, so I assumed it was about the new IE.
Did you run out of things to ***** about so you had to nitpick? You come off as a whiny little ***** with nothing better to do than complain about what a decent development team is doing.
Just a quick note that the last IE7 and Security article by Dean Edwards you linked has nothing to do with Microsoft’s Internet Explorer 7 beta. It’s for Dean’s existing-versions-of-IE-fixing JavaScript IE7.
Given that IE has many ridiculous rendering, parsing, and layout bugs that have gone unfixed for years, doesn’t support CSS 1.0 (when the W3C is now working on CSS3), has serious security flaws, doesn’t support PNG transparency, is widely exploited by malicious software, and was recommended against by the US Government, could you explain why you are trying to “Spread IE”? You seem most enthusiastic about IE7 catching up to features browsers like Opera, Galeon, Mozilla, Konqueror, and Safari have had for years. All of this begs the question: “Why use IE?”
Don’t get me wrong–I’m excited about IE7 too, because I want to reduce the number of brain-damaged hacks in my code to deal with it’s peculiar interpretations of web standards. It just boggles my mind that someone who has tried a different browser would find a compelling reason to switch back, outside of sites that require ActiveX.
Check out this post by the IE team. Apparently they fixed the following bugs:
Peekaboo bug
Guillotine bug
Duplicate Character bug
Border Chaos
No Scroll bug
3 Pixel Text Jog
Magic Creeping Text bug
Bottom Margin bug on Hover
Losing the ability to highlight text under the top border
IE/Win Line-height bug
Double Float Margin Bug
Quirky Percentages in IE
Duplicate indent
Moving viewport scrollbar outside HTML borders
1 px border style
Disappearing List-background
Fix width:auto
They also support full CSS1 and some CSS2:
CSS 2.1 Selector support (child, adjacent, attribute, first-child etc.)
CSS 2.1 Fixed positioning
“Also, I really think IE7 should stomp on your search provider… all new IE7 searches should be through MSN. It’s a new product, changing it requires one click, so why not default it?”
Why on earth would you think that? The user chose these preferences for a reason. Now, a new version of the same product is supposed to clobber them? How does that help the user?
I’d be more interested in hearing if IE7 fixes any of these bugs, considering I’m wrestling with two of them at the moment.
Thanks Bruce. I’m glad to hear that the interface is a rough mockup in this first beta, and that there’s much more to come. So, I await beta 2 with heightened interest!
However, I think that the phishing intelligence should be a little bit smarter and authoritative. For example, you could keep track of the authority of your users, so that when a non-authoritative user tries to mark a site with lots of good karma as a phishing site, they receive a negative message like “This site is a known good site, and you have been known to misclassify phishing sites in the past. Marking this as bad when it is actually good will hurt your relationship with the phishing filter–are you sure you want to do this?” Something like that would be useful, IMO.
Also, I really think IE7 should stomp on your search provider… all new IE7 searches should be through MSN. It’s a new product, changing it requires one click, so why not default it?
I amthe manager for IE’s user interface development team, so I read this post with interest. I wanted to give some commentary on it.
The IE7 UI isn’t final; only the basic “bones” of the UI are there. Fit and finish issues like the tab color are known issues to fix fo the Beta 2. Beta 1 is mostly about appcompat and getting the core changes into people’s hands and getting feedback on it.
We’re getting lots of feedback against the combined stop/go/refresh as well as the movement of the menu bar. It’s that kind of feedback that helps us decide what the final UI should be.
We’re not going to stop anybody from reporting a site they think is suspicious, even if it’s http://www.microsoft.com. Why would we?
An an upgrade install, IE7 will respect your current search provider. If you had Google in IE6, then it’s Google in IE7. We didn’t just stomp your setting to MSN. Now, if you didn’t have Google as your search provider in IE6, and now it is Google, then that would be a bug.
I hadn’t seen the new tab button on the default XP theme. Doesn’t look as nice as it does on non-Luna themes.
Nice post btw
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