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Victoria Part Three: The Anti-Islam Guy

Posted in Canada,Politics,Travel by Elliott Back on August 12th, 2005.

One of the more interesting things I saw was a guy wearing the following sandwich board downtown in Victoria, BC:

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Caption: “Awake. Islam’s a religion of war.”

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Caption: Crusader cross.

It seems this guy is downright sick of Muslim fundamentalists blowing stuff up, and offers another crusade as a viable solution. Hold you comments for just one second–there are excellent results from a successful crusade or genocide. You meet your objective of eliminating the thread at hand. However, the collateral damage is usually considered (i.e., should be) to be too significant a cost to pay in exchange for your goals. In this way, most civilized nations prefer to try and isolate and punish criminals as entities-of-themselves and not entities-in-a-state.

You can imagine why I thought this was weird, then. In the US, this kind of reaction is expected. In my peace-loving Canada? No way!

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45 Responses to “Victoria Part Three: The Anti-Islam Guy”

  1. islam is the evil of this world, much worse
    than naziism,

  2. Innes says:

    Faiza Saleem, iram, Khan, Yazeed, Abderrahim, “a muslim”, sari, make my point about Islam being an intolerant, illogical, non-thinking, racist religion. I’m more tempted to call it a dangerous, world-wide cult!
    Keep your rants up so we know you’re among us.

  3. Innes says:

    LET’S PUT ASIDE ALL THE PROPAGANDA SUPPORTING ISLAM.
    Fundamentally, Islam is anti-enlightenment and spurns non-critical thinkers. Muslims are taught to hate Jews, ****, infidels (non-believers), the West, etc., etc. Every post-secondary student in every Arab country has the proven forgery “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” on his required reading list. The Arab countries embed anti-semitic and anti-infidel rants and racist blather in their school curricula, in spite of Saudi Arabia’s pronouncements that it has gotten rid of these references in the school texts…not so. Many muslims treat their women as chattel and condone honours killings. The Q’uran condones the violent treatment and repression of women. The author and former radical muslim fundamentalist, Hursi Ali, (who renounced her Muslim religion for its illogic and barbarism) educated Holland and now Americans that honour killings were not uncommon exported Muslim practices in those countries. If you can imagine, honour killings and beating of women are also carried out by muslim men in Canada (These murders and beatings should not be described by apologist for Islam as simply examples of domestic violence.).
    Quite frankly, if muslims in our Canadian communities are not prepared to freely mix with non-muslims and show tolerance for those who are not of their ilk, we don’t need or want you in Canada.
    As tolerant Canadians, many of us have woken up to the insidious and malicious muslim intolerance, racism, medievalism, and barbarism (e.g., public beheadings and floggings, etc.)
    By-the-way, the formal Q’uranic penalty for a muslim’s renouncement of islam, as Hursi Ali did, is death! Who needs these medieval values and attitudes in our Canadian communities?

  4. Soros says:

    Regarding the claim of Islam being a religion of peace, how did it spread if it was that peaceful? By war. By killing. If you look into the history of Spain, it was by conquest not by any fictional peace that Moors ruled part of S. Europe.

    And regarding the matter of taxation, non-Muslims were tolerated because they could be taxed without limit, whereas Believers had a set percentage of income that could be taxed. Non-Muslims had all kinds of restrictions which today would be part of an Apartheid system. It is also fiction that we all lived side by side in harmony: it was Muslims ruling over Christians and Jews in Spain and everywhere else.

    Islam is the newcomer: Islam has been at war against Judaism and Christianity for 1400 years and it still is. To think otherwise is to stick one’s head in the sand. Get real.

  5. A Proud Muslim Woman says:

    I have read all the threads and it seems ignorance is ruling this website.

    To Dajjal, It seems you invested a lot of time in studying the Quran. I congratulate you on that but it seems you have missed the point. You have quoted many suras and verses that specifically deal with war and things in that nature, and you accuse Islam of being violent. Well listen, and listen very carefuly. The sura you have quoted are suras that were dealing with what was happening at THAT MOMENT. First, besides reading the Quran and the hadiths, you have to also read the biography of Muhammed(pbuh). The Prophet left Mecca without causing trouble, actually he was persecuted. Realize that Mecca was a destination for pilgrams for Jews and Christians because the Kabba was built by Abraham(pbuh). He set up a nice peaceful life in Medina where he got along with the Jews and Christians, even to the point where they themselves were coming to him in matters of dispute. Another thing you haven’t mentioned is that when one reads the word disbelievers in the Quran, this does not refer to Christians, Jews or anyone who at some point was sent a Holy Book- on the contrary these people are refered to as People of the Book- we are told not to argue with them.
    The second thing we have to discuss is jihad. The word jihad has been used by many to translate as ‘holy war’. Can someone please quote anything(!) that can prove to me that it means ‘holy war’. The word jihad in arabic means ‘struggle’. The term most mentioned in Islam is jihada-al-nafs,-al-nafs meaning self or in a broader sense, soul. Stuggle against the desires of ourselves is the most important mission for muslims. So this term that has been thrown around, has nothing to do with ‘holy war’. The jihad that does deal with war, again it still does not translate as holy war, it is the struggle that the muslims of Medina had to face when the Meccans had waged war on them. The wars that seem so fascinating to you because you have put a whole a lot of effort into associating Islam with war, these wars had nothing to do with a ‘holy war’. The Prophet(pbuh) was pushed to the point of taking up arms in order to protect his city-Medina. The Meccans didn’t like the fact he had established a peaceful authority in Medina, so they served the first attack. Besides, THEY were torturing/killing/raping the muslims back in Mecca. Dajjal, why have you missed this aspect, is not worth mentioning? So, going back in history and looking at ALL cultures and societies, isn’t it human instinct to protect oneself when attacked?

    Now, on the subject of Jesus(pbuh). I don’t think any of you understand what he means to us. The reason you guys get sensitive about our vision of Jesus(pbuh) is because we don’t regard him as dead, or that he died for the sins of mankind. In our minds, Jesus is very alive, it’s just that he has an appointed time to descent again. The reason Muhammed(pbuh) is regarded a the seal of prophets is because he was the last person to had a word from the All-Mighty. When Muhammed(pbuh) said; that Jesus(pbuh) would be ruling by his rule, I feel like you again missed the point. If you have read the Quran and studied it as you claim, you will also agree with me that the Quran on countless occasions says that Muhammed(pbuh) is only following the religion that was before him, that of Noah(pbuh), Moses(pbuh), Abraham(pbuh), and Jesus(pbuh). If you weren’t looking for hatred and things to make Islam look bad, you would have realized what Muhammed(pbuh) meant by that statement, meaning there wouldn’t be any variations in his rule and that of Jesus(pbuh).
    Lastly, I see you have a problem with when non-muslims living in muslim countries have to pay the annual fee. As stated before, if you truly did study Islam you would know that it’s forced upon EVERY MUSLIM to pay zakat-almsgiving. So why would the non-muslims get to benefit from the muslims? While the muslims have to pay the money, the non-muslims don’t? This fee is set in place to avoid being unfair. Tell me a verse that states that non-muslims have to be forced into Islam, or otherwise they have to pay money?. The paying of that money is regardless whether you’re a muslim or a non-muslim living in a muslim country. As a muslim here in the States, do I not pay my taxes? Is not forced upon me or wouldn’t I be otherwise going to jail?
    You can say all you want to about Islam, your words can’t destroy it. All you can do is lead others that are not educated in the religion of Islam astray.
    Was it not Islam that gave me as a woman rights to inheritance-mind you, that was unheard of in Europe back then. Was it not Islam that gave me rights to have property and it still would remain mine even after I got married? Do I have to tell you what was going in Europe back then? Well, I think I will; men were getting married to girls that had property so that they could incorperate it into theirs after marriage. And if the marriage failed was she allowed to get property back? No buddy, it was her ex-husbands now.
    So Dajjal, you wrote a nice little piece, throwing around some names, but still, I would’ve wished you had actually approached Islam without hatred. And the next time, I don’t want to see the works of theologians. Give me examples out the Quran and hadiths, and USE THEM IN THEIR CONTXT. Because those two are the most important to most muslims, as theologians usually mix their own feelings/thoughts into their work. Anything outside of the Quran and the hadiths are only used when a subject is not found the first two.

    I can sit here and write a whole book on how Christianity has been [ab]used over the centuries, used to conquer, kill, and wipe out enitre nations, but do you hear me say anything, NO. That’s because I don’t go around saying that ALL christians or the whole religion of Chritianity is a “religion of hatred”-as you so eloquently said about mine, but I won’t and can’t. So please respect others.

    One Hecka Of a Proud Muslim Woman

    • M morel says:

      Islam is not a book. Islam is not a relegion. Islam is nothing, if its not what its followers and adherents DO!

      The only method rational people have to judge it, is by what its adherents DO! Not by what a book says.

      The actions and actvities of muslims speak loud and clear, and demonstrate exactly what islam is!

  6. Observer says:

    Most, close to all, Religions have been foisted on Mankind for a specific reason: to create emotional tension between individuals by hi-jacking their fear response.

    People respond or Identify with whichever religion they were taught, depending on where they were on Planet Earth at the time their fear response was exploited.

    What is the point of having religions that require the others’ to be the enemy? Tension.

    That tension felt in individuals (the better the believer, the better the tension) releases emotional energy. Emotional energy is food “for the Moon”, i.e. someone else.

    Humans are not at the top of the food chain on this planet. Religion was introduced to increase the food supply.

  7. Adam says:

    lol im not surprise everyone have a problem with islam and muslims, well christians kill they treat there women bad they rape they steal lol but there religion is un touch and muslim even cough whole world pay attetion lol too much fox and cnn u guys watch

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  9. Dajjal says:

    Religion is derived from a word which means to bind. Islam is binding: it enslaves men to Allah. In modern usage, religion implies benign pacifism & spirituality. Islam is mercenary & malignant.

    Do not take my word for this, do your own research. Read Surahs Al-Anfal, At-Taubah & Al-Fath. 8:1 tells us that the spoils of war belong to Moe. What has the “great religion of peace” have to do with war and accrual of spoils? 8:39 commands Muslims to fight pagans until only Allah is worshiped in the entire world. 9:29 commands Muslims to fight Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians until they are subjugated and make annual extortion payments. 8:12 commands Muslims to terrorize their victims. 33:26-27 shows us the consequences of casting terror. 8:67 sanctifies and mandates genocide. At the same time it reveals Moe's motivation: “the good of this world” ; spoils of war. Allah sets “great slaughter” as the price of admission to his paradise.

    I do not mis-translate Islamic scripture, nor do I mis-interpret it because I do neither. I rely on translations and the meaning of Allah's commands is clear on the face of the text. Nay more! The meaning of Moe's recitation is confirmed by his actions: the battles he ordered and engaged in. The Qur'an & hadith form a congruent, mutually reinforcing pattern.

    Lest there be any doubt, Ibn Kathir spent his entire adult life studying and teaching Islamic scripture & jurisprudence. His tafsir is regarded as authentic. It confirms the obvious meaning of the clear verses of the Qur'an.

    The Muslim Student Association at U.S.C. maintains a web site with three parallel translations of the Qur'an by Yusuf Ali, Pickthall & Shakir. It also provides abridgments of the four major hadith collections. My web site, Crusader's Armory, has links to those resources and .chm files containing the Noble Qur'an and hadith which Windows users can download, search and study. There is another file, EgregiousAyat.chm, which contains the most violent verses along with related tafsir topics and a substantial quote from Islamic law.

    Shari'ah also confirms the obvious meaning of the Qur'an. Umdat as-Salik or Reliance of the Traveller, which you can read as a scanned image at Scribid, reveals enough to make any sane man curse Islam. I will quote it here. Note that O9.8 quotes the ayat upon which it is based.

    O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

    The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

    “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9.29),

    the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus' descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

    “I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,”

    this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ).

    @O9.9

    The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi' (y21), 6.48-49) ).

    That is Islamic law, based on Moe's recitation & sunnah. The Caliph makes war. Read O9.1 to learn how often he does it.

    The most essential evidence of the mercenary & martial malignancy of Islam, with links to source documents, may be found by directing your favorite search engine to “What's Wrong With Islam/Muslims?”. At totheulama.wordpress.com/2008/02/
    you will find links for downloading the Qur'an & hadith in several formats and languages.

    If you doubt the obvious face value meaning of any of those verses, search for them by surah:ayeh number at www.qtafsir.com . Ibn Kathir's Tafsir topics for the most egregious ayat are linked in the ROPMA post. The titles alone should be sufficient to convince any thinking person.

    # The Command to fight Those Who fight Muslims and killing Them wherever They are found
    # The Command to strike the Enemies’ Necks, tighten Their Bonds, and then free Them either by an Act of Grace or for a Ransom
    # The Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the Jizyah
    # The Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers, the Closest, then the Farthest Areas
    # The Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and Kufr
    # The Order to fight until there is no more Fitnah
    # The Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers and Hypocrites

    Here is the U/RL: totheulama.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/ropma/ go there and click the links, read them all and get informed. Ibn Kathir displays the Arabic, English translation, relevant hadith and his expert opinion.

  10. elliottback says:

    All religion is a dangerous cult?

  11. muhammadan rasullollah says:

    islam is not a religion

    is a dangerous Cult

  12. bahrag says:

    I think we should act upon this disease of islam reaching too civalised parts of the world, seriuosly ive looked into alot of research of the quaran and all it talks about is fighting for Allah and killing non believers, other than christianity,judaism,buddism, etc they explain about peace and respecting other religions.

    Now looking too prophets Mohammed invaded around 47 countries, stole from them and started slave trade in africa he also used racism to the black people of africa also mohammed had 4 wives including a 9 year old girl which i think is classed as pedephilia i see this as a barbaric figure which has no respect for human life.

    Now looking at the christian equivelant ‘jesus’ he healed people, always said respect your neihbours, told people that you dont need to pay the church lots of money its about your love to god and you can worship god were ever you are, jesus never harmed a person he aways gave good advice and fed the hungry so in this case i see jesus a highly respectable person in history which everyone can look up too.

    now in judaism they have there equivelant moses who is also in the christian bible, moses led jewish slaves to a promised land by God and also enstated the 10 comandments which told people basic morals which is also in our today laws.

    Buddism has there own prophet figure Bhuda who gave greta advice and ecouraged peace.

    look im not here to offend anyone im just giving true facts and showing my views ok of course there is nice muslim people out of course but there is radical islamic people who have a plan to make the whole planet islamic which i completely disagree too i think people should stop being afriad of discrimination or racism because its all one sided so its not even a fair process.

    something must change or there will be cival wars in various countrys and this will most likely lead to another holy war which will be the end of the world or another light of world peace what ever way i see this i think things need to be changed. and they need to be changed now. FULL STOP

    I live in Great britain and i have recognised islam is creeping in all the media i see mosques in alot of towns i visit and i have recognised some parts of the country are not 1 bit british this is discraseful, islam is tryin to take over the world we must act. now.

    i hope ive not offended any one and im deeply sorry if i have. and i am saying this becasue there is extremists that wil probably try to kill me.

  13. Funkyboy says:

    I can’t believe all the Muslim replies!!…

    Can the Muslims explain to me why, for the past few years , they have been blowing themselves up, practically EVERY DAY in the name of ISLAM??

    I don’t see Christians or Hindus doing that ever day, or at all..

    Obviously, there is something different in your Religion that causes this…

    Come on!!

  14. Sam Johnson says:

    You are a true asset to Islam Faiza. Wish you all the best. May ALLAH subhana tallah bless you and punish all the others that cannot see the light of true Islam. Ameen

  15. Sam Johnson says:

    Faiza i think you are fab. You have sufficiently cleared a mojority of unsubscribed misconceptions and therefore i declare and am proud to say i have converted into a Muslim.
    Cheers for showing me the right path

  16. Faiza Saleem says:

    well. Faiza you are fab

  17. Faiza Saleem says:

    Isalm teaches you as well as respecting your own religion you should respect everyone elses and i belive this is a factor amongst all religions well im sorry but this website is being extremely offensive towrads my religion and all i can see is clear ignorance, well never mind thatsd what im here for to clear misconceptions about islam, if you want to know anything about Islam please do not hesitate to contact Faiza because i am here to clear ignorance so plsz contact me on faizasaleem@hotmail.co.uk, and remember it isnt the followers that you should look at but the authentic scriptures because if i wanted to know more about lets say Chritianity and i looked at the followers i would get a totaly differant picture, Jesus was curcumcitzed yet no Chrisitan male is but muslims are, mary wore a head scarf yet no christain does but a majority of muslim women do. In the book of deutronomy pork is prohibited yet many christains still eat it and muslims dont. Well putting all that into perspective even you would agree that Muslims are more christians then christians themselves

  18. Faiza Saleem says:

    Right. well let me begin with what the word Islam means. Islam means submission (submitting your will to god), clearly many Muslims arent doing that because all you non-muslims can see all the negative things about Musilms. Well firstly anyone critising any religion should not look at its followers but the authentic scriptures, in this case the Quran and the Hadith. Many non-muslims and also some muslims are confused about one word in particular which they believe means holy war “Jihad”, well let me clarify to you all that Jihad means to strive and struggle and even non-muslims do Jihad e.g when you are striving in work and struggling ot perform your best. If you translate this word into English referance (wikepidia) it does not mean holy war. There is not a single verse in the whole of the Quran or Hadith which mentions holy war because Islam is a religion of peace and Harmony, in the Quran it mentions to use force as a last resort not first. If you believe that all terrorists are muslims well you know that is lie. Why is the Britsh gov so afraid of Muslims when the IRA terrorist group have plotted more attakcs against Britain than any other terrorist group put together (for more info on this contact me on faizasaleem@hotmail.co.uk). When Hitler killed all the jews i believe this was a terrorist attack, was he a muslim? no, you guessed right. Nelson Mandela was titled a major terrorist when he stood up to inequality in South africa, yet today he is the president of South africa. Many black people thought he was doing right yet the white people found this as a terrorist threat, same thing but two differant titles.

  19. iram says:

    wow…people who tlk against ALLAh obviously are peopel of ignorance. many poeple are so quick to judge muslims while many don’t even now their religion in dept. all i can say is to poeple who are anti -islam, is that r u kidding me u tlk about us muslims being terrorists, us being people who don’t respect women, well open the quran and read it. as for some people that said to read quran you need to read arabic, there are thousands of tranlsation of the quran in english. so read it. lolz
    and for people who watch the news…dude wake up…they’re brainwashing you…n 2 actually think…guess who ownes many of the tv broadcasts….beleive it or not they’re jews…i myself am a PROUND MUSLIM..who isn’t ashamed of my religion..rather i incourage non- muslims to read it…n truly look to understand it rather them opposing against it…
    n inshallah ALLAH will put in heavens those who belive in the oneness of ALLAH and mohammad (s.a.w) being the last messenger

  20. Liz says:

    every realgion has its extreemest I work with and for Muslims, I myself am Pagan. as a people I find nothing rong with Muslims and I have read both the Koran and the Bibble and both have disturbing content …so what. both books are really old it only makes sence that sume of the content in the books are no longer exctbatel ….the hole war is just a wast of time, life and monny.

  21. Jeff says:

    medieval

  22. Jeff says:

    Allah is a pig and his followers,win or loose this war will be ripped apart burning over and over for all eternity for the medevial acts they commit and ways they follow.

  23. Khan says:

    All I can say is May Allah forgive every one who makes wrong statements about Islam. Islam is all about Peace and brotherhood. You will be questioned on the day of judgement. Please think twice bofore making any statements.

    May Allah save you all fom the evil and fire of hell.

  24. Jeff says:

    Stupid? We should all beware Islam.Much more than George Bush.
    I am afraid you are wrong about the cross you are obviously a ******.
    In the year 1120 the Knights Hospitallers of the order of St.John sometimes known as the Knights of Malta were orderd to wear a white eight pointed cross on their robes.
    The Red or “Rosy” cross that this fellow crusader is wearing was granted to the Templar Knights by St.Bernard of Clairvaux in 1128.
    Have a nice day.
    Learn from the past and you will not be on the wrong side of history again.
    WAKE UP!!!

  25. Stabby says:

    Funny how that’s the Maltese cross… Seriously look it up. It’s the cross used by the knights of Malta. I wear that same cross around my neck (because I was in Malta not because I’m a knight of Malta). That dude is obviously stupid.

  26. Someguy says:

    We definitely need another crusade!

  27. Deron says:

    Don’t forget many of the Muslim that live in America have been Americanized. So I’m not too worried about attacks at this point. For the FBI, CIA, and NSA are violating the right to privacy of Muslims. But keep in mined that 12% to 15% of Muslims worldwide would like to kill Americans. That would put it about 650,000 people that would like to kill us Americans.

  28. Jonathan Giles says:

    I’ve read all the comments on this page and I’m shocked by the level of ignorance displayed here; I wonder whether some of you are writing comments that are deliberately controversial, or whether you truly believe some of the things you have written.
    The central feature of this naivety is the belief that Islam is a violent religion, or that the majority of Muslims adhere to a violent interpretation of Islam. Both of these are false; Islam, like all religions, is open to interpretation. The “definition” of good Muslim behaviour is derived from a combination of direct and allegorical instruction from the Koran and the Sunnah (the example set by Muhammad). It is true that some Muslims have taken a rather violent interpretation from these sources, these would be regarded as “radicals” by the majority of Muslims (much in the same way as the so-called “Christian Fundamentalists” in West, connected to violent acts such as the bombing of abortion clinics). Unfortunately, it is only the radical Muslims that one sees in the media, and if one does not meet any Muslims in day-to-day life, it is only these radical Muslims that one sees.
    The majority of Muslims, living in Muslim countries or in the West, live conventional lives; they have regular jobs, they raise families, they mow their lawns and wash their cars at the weekend, and they regard religion as a personal matter. Of the four Muslims who I know personally; three drink alcohol, one smokes marijuana, all wear ‘normal’ clothes (excepting on specific family occasions), and only one prays five times daily (the same one who smokes weed). They all regard themselves as Muslims (though they regularly criticise themselves for being “bad muslims”), and they enjoy debating religious issues with me – the conversations are always fairly open, and no one has been truly offended yet.

    This tread began with a photograph of a man in Australia claiming that Islam is a religion of war and wearing a symbol reminiscent of the crusades, which I would have thought the majority of people to find laughable: he is labelling Islam a religion of war but he is also making reference to the militant history of Christianity (presumably his own religion).

    To all of you who believe that Islam is a religion of violence; imagine a person who has lived their entire life in a remote village, their only experience of Western culture being the one channel their television can receive: MTV, imagine that person trying to claim that all Western culture revolves around *** and violence. You would call him a fool, surely, and say that there is much more to Western culture than MTV (or indeed MTV2), yet it is in just the same position that you find yourself in when you watch the network news and read the occasional newspaper article.

    Remember: trying to understand the reasons for another’s actions is not the same thing as attempting to condone that person’s actions. It is through understanding the causes of something that we can hope to change or stop it.

    As an antidote to ignorance, I can recommend two (Western) authors, who write in a down-to-earth and informative style, these are: John L. Esposito and Fred Halliday. If you choose not to read further, that is fine, but remember, it is a choice you have made, you have chosen to let your view of the world rest on incomplete accounts and first impressions.

  29. joseph lebanese christian says:

    the crusades has to start now !!!!! those mutha fuckas shot my father in lebanon , threw a grenade at my uncle in a coffee shop , shot my grand mother in her head just because she was christian in a muslim village , and i have 2 friends that were beaten to death because they were walkin around with a cross around theyr neck , so u tell me that islam is a religion of peace ???? well **** who ever thinks thats true , i know alot of muslims , most of them are liers they say to ppl that theyr peacefull , but if u ever listen to them talkin among them selves muslim to muslim , ull see that they are totally different people , if u think im lyin i dont give a **** , its 100 % im lebanese christian and proud of it , and i hope they kill every muslim who has a problem with other religions , becoz 90 % of muslims want to kill or hurt who ever isnt a muslim , only 10 % of them are good people because theyr not believers or not fanatics about theyr religions , check all sites that has 2 do with anti-islam ull see they are the only sites that describe the true meaning of islam , i hope who ever reads this understands what im saying

  30. Yazeed says:

    May God help you all those who talk about islam in a bad way, hope one day you will realize that what you said is totally wrong. dont take one part of the Qoran and make your judgement… read it more and more and your will see that it has words from God, it has what makes your life happy and pleased, you may never fear from the smallest things on earth when you know that any "Good or Bad" is at the end from God, testing your believe in him… May God help your really

  31. Dave says:

    Mohammed had four wives. One he married when she was nine, one he took from his adopted son while his son was alive. Mohammed was a pedophile and an adulterer.

    Mohammed led battles of murder and theft against those who did not agree he was a "messanger of god." Murder and theft have not departed from Islam to this day. Look at what the Shiites and Sunnis were doing to each other in Iraq while trying to blame the Americans for all Iraq’s troubles.

    There were contradictions found in Islam, other parts were similar to religious writings published in his day.

    Where did they get the idea pork is unholy? This was strictly superstition and not from God. Pork is high in protein and contains calories for substinence. Pork is a holy meat.

    The Koran advised to be at peace with those who are at peace with you, yet the Islamic called for Jihad too often. If I were to speak badly of Islam some might consider it grounds my execution and the confiscation of my home. If an Arab in Saudi Arabia converted to Christianity, in the past they would have beheaded him/her. More recently it was jail and expulsion from the K.S.A. The religion Islam blasmphemed God.

    There are people with Muslim names who prefer to be secular with hope of a better life.

    Recommended reading: Ibn Warraq: Why I Am Not A Muslim

  32. Abderrahim says:

    Peace be upon you,
    people who say that Islam is bloody are completely wrong.They can’t get the true gist of this religion.They will be jusged and severly punished for this on doomsday if they don’t repent.Read the Koran and understand it and you will understand that Islam is different and that you are on the wrong path.I am dead sure that you will die, face God and you will find yourself in a bad situation and you will be punished and you will dwell in hell forever.

    • Jakw says:

      Abderrahim says:
      1/19/2007 at 12:29 pm

      “Peace be upon you,
      people who say that Islam is bloody are completely wrong.They cant get the true gist of this religion.They will be jusged and severly punished for this on doomsday if they dont repent.Read the Koran and understand it and you will understand that Islam is different and that you are on the wrong path.I am dead sure that you will die, face God and you will find yourself in a bad situation and you will be punished and you will dwell in hell forever.”

      Not violent? Your words betray you!

  33. a muslim says:

    i am writing to clear things up . first we have that guy that his muslim friends are saying bad things about mary the virgin . will did u know that there is a sura in the quran with name of ( mary ) witch is sura 19 . and did u know that prophet mohammed said that mary is on of the four ladies of all of the women on earth . thats right that is how much we muslims love mary . and i tell u that any one that says somthing wrong about mary isnt a muslim . and there is also a guy that talked about about voielnce and crulety against unbelivers . well the quran was talking about 14 cen ago when prophed mohammed was ( cursed , spited at , thrown rocks at , almost assassinated etc >>> ) by the unbelivers so thats why god orderd him to fight them first you have to know prophet mohammed so you can understand the quran . we respect all religions and the unbelivers that were menchend in the quran are the ones in mecca and the ones who fought prophet mohammed and not every one which is not a muslim . just think about it when the prophet was the only muslim did he pick up a sowrd and fought every one in his way alone . just think about it . muslims love all prophets and those who are menchened in the bible are also menchend in the quran .

  34. Jasper says:

    I do plan to read this book but also receive the impression that until I read and speak Arabic I wont be considered informed on the real Korans message. Even so I have a feeling that there are two Islams, much like Christianity has an old testament and a new testament. And I have a feeling that most people in the Middle East are living in the Old Testament and threw away the New Testament.

    Though if you really want to start showing your support for democracy I ask that Muslims form a coalition that promotes democracy and pushes for the Freedom of Speech to be used against Muslim ideology. I want to see Madonna doing her thing on the Koran soon please! And I want to see no death threats after beyond one or two idiots that you denounce.

    Even so I went to find opinions from some apostates. And this is from www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/frombelief.htm

    Although I knew of Jihad and never questioned it before, I found it hard to accept that God would recourse to such violent measures to impose himself on people. What was more shocking was the cruelty of Allah in dealing with the unbelievers.
    I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them 8:12

    It seemed that Allah was not just satisfied with killing the unbelievers. He enjoyed torturing them before killing them. Smiting peoples heads from above their necks and chopping their fingertips were very cruel acts. Would really God give such orders? And yet the worst is what he promised to do with the unbelievers in the other world:
    These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), Taste ye the Penalty of Burning! 22:19-22
    How could the creator of this universe be so petty? These verses of the Quran shocked me. I was shocked to learn how Allah ordered killing people, how he would torture them eternally in such a horrible ways for no reason but disbelief. I was shocked to learn that Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q.2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q.9:123), fight with them, (Q.8:65) humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews, (Q.9:29) and slay them if they are Pagans (Q.9:5). I was shocked when I learned that Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tells clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q.3:85). That Allah would relegate those who disbelieve in the Quran to Hell (Q.5:11) and calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q.9:28). I was shocked to learn that Allah orders the Muslims to fight the unbelievers until no other religion is left other than Islam (Q.2:193), or that he says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q.14:17), and asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and the feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace. And as if this were not enough, that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (Q.5:34). I was shocked when I reads words such as As for the disbelievers, for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (Q.22:9). How sadistic! But that was not all. The Quran also prohibits Muslims to befriend their own fathers or brothers if they are not believers (Q.9:23), (Q.3:28) and that actually Muhammad encouraged his followers to kill their own family in the battles of Badr and Uhud and asks the Muslims to strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q.25:52), and be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q.66:9). How can any sinsible person remain unmoved when he of she finds the Quran saying: strike off the heads of the disbelievers then after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (Q.47:4).
    The book of Allah says that women are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to beat them (Q.4:34), and that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q.66:10). It says that men have an advantage over the women (Q.2:228). It not only denies women equal right to their inheritance (Q.4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony alone is not admissible in the court (Q.2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness, which of course is a joke. Rapist don’t rape in the presence of witnesses. But the most shocking verse was where Allah allows Muslims to rape the women captured in wars even if they are married before being captured, (Q.4:24) (Q.4:3). I was shocked to learn that the holy prophet raped the prettiest women that he captured in his raids in the same day that he killed their husbands and loved ones. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and rape their women. Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 and massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.

  35. Stop Islam says:

    taukir said:

    on November 26th, 2005 at 2:10 pm

    hi
    may i know why people say that islam is a religion of war when my best friends are muslims and they are practising muslims and they dont drink dont fight and love peace

    “Ofcourse you may know!

    It is so simple. As European and American Youth we can not stand anymore our governments and even our Pope, trying to excuse for Islam and tolerating their over radical terorrism.

    Since I was a child all my Muslim friends, have criticized our beliefs, they have made fun of Holy Trinity, Virgin Mary and so on. This is the Islamic Stategy. And if you answer them they get furious. Because all in all, they do not know a bit about their glorious(!) Quran!

    And they keep on insisting the Islam to be the latest and most modern religion. Evidence? Look at Iran, Iraq, Pakisthan, Syria… How happy they are! :LOL: They are killing eachother, cutting the hands and legs of the small children, slaughtering masses of people, prosecuting women to death and than saying Islam is the Religion of Humanity in International Era :LOL: x 10 :)

    Ofcourse you may know, as a young Christian, I can not stand being Criticized by mostly non theologist fully bearded so called Immam’s for what I beleive. And I can not stand, after hundred years of silence, can not handling a small “quote” (A quote it was not a critic!) of the Pope and killing Christians, bombing Churches!!

    If Christian world have reacted to each simple critic came from Muslims up to date there would be 9 world wars behind us!

    So please, try to understand! But If you still can not

    Make love not war and be prosecuted to death according to Islamic Shariat…

    :rolleyes:

  36. a real muslim says:

    wow ..i didn’t know how you people hate us without knowing real muslims ,all u see is ben laden and his followers .. u should really get the holy quraan translated and read it carefully , if u did ..you’ll discover the real meaning of peace inside you
    nyway non of the verses of the holy quraan says that we should kill .. islam care about the relation between Allah(god) and his/ her creature

  37. Barbara says:

    I am sorry but this man is biased and wrong. Every Muslim I know is a good decent hard working member of the society in which he lives. Doctors, lawyers, professors, window washers, car mechanics, shop owners, engineers, artists, butchers, students, etc. NOT one of them supports fanaticism and wishes to simply live in peace with his neighbours. It is a pity that fanaticism exists, but look beyond to the source of hatred. Look to the wars and the creation of homelessness and poverty then the easy pickings amongst those who have lost everything to “globalization” (read greed from the West as a prime motivation factor). Take responsibility for this world we live in and do not just target one group. Take action, PRO action, to heal, not continue creating the rift between peoples. This man who pickets would be jailed if he picketed against the Jewish people, or against ****, natives, visible minorities or coloureds. It seems Muslims are considered fair game! Realize that hatred is the goal of the fanatics and do not fall into this trap. When I was in India recently, mosque, temple and church were everywhere and all respected each other. It is the act of fundamentalists to create divisions and tear apart societies as they are attempting to do now. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS TRAP OR YOU ARE A FOOL. LOOK BEYOND THE AGENDAS. People are people. There, nuff said. Now go turn on CNN or FOX and listen with open ears to what is NOT being said. This man should be given something constructive to do with his life by the way.

  38. Stuart says:

    I don’t fear that Hindus, Jews, Christians, Buddhists will try to attack my people and my country. Muslims will and will continue to do so. We have to open our eyes in this country and realize that not everyone wants to co-exist peacefully. We have to deport these people…those that choose religion over this country. Are our eyes open now? I certainly hope so…

  39. Sary says:

    Are you people serious??
    Turn off FOX channel for five minutes and tell me where in the Quraan does it say that non-muslims should call muslims “kafirs”…
    I cna tell you that there’s a verse that tells muslims to discuss religion issues with non-muslims in a lenient and wise way…
    Why don’t you just get a real transalation of the Quraan and read it…
    or you’re afraid you’ll end up like Cat Stevens??
    Your life..your mind…your hoice..

  40. Arbogast says:

    Indeed true, Islamists talk about how they are peaceful. Where are all these peaceful Muslims? Haven’t seen one yet. They are all crazy ragheads. Time to nuke ‘em all and take their oil. We are at war with Islamia, we have always been at war with Islamia. Oceania forever!!!!

  41. Anti-Islam says:

    I agre, islam is a religion of terrorists, they do nothing but kill people in the name of religion. There holy texts incite hatred against other religions. The Qu’ran teaches muslims to call other non muslims “kafirs” i.e impure. They force people into conversion my trying to find flaws and twist things about their own religion. They prey on the weak and when that fails they attack. There a bunch of murderers!! that do it in the name of religion.

    www.faithfreedom.com/
    www.faithfreedom.org

    2 websites that show the truth about islam JOIN THIS MAN…. UPROOT ISLAM AND DESTROY IT!!

  42. taukir says:

    hi
    may i know why people say that islam is a religion of war when my best friends are muslims and they are practising muslims and they dont drink dont fight and love peace

  43. Logan says:

    Is that a Starbucks coffee?

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